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Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next

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Post by jay_kyburz »

kemonocode wrote: post #16
gkoberger wrote: post #12

This might not be a popular opinion, but I feel like YouTube is doing their best with a really hard problem. I see a lot of people complaining about things like this, but I also see a lot of people complaining that YouTube/Twitter/etc aren't doing enough to take down false/immoral/illegal content quick enough. [1] It really sucks when a legitimate video is taken down by mistake. But it also really sucks when revenge…

It's only ever resolved favorably if you have enough clout. I understand there simply not being enough manpower on Earth to manually review so many cases, but the balance seems to be so heavily skewed towards automation (which still does a very piss poor job at it) that just feels like there's no human element vetting the final decision at all, and that's the approach which so many people have gripes about, rightfull…

>I understand there simply not being enough manpower on Earth to manually review so many cases

It's an unpopular opinion, but perhaps there doesn't need to be so many videos online for public viewing.

I don't think its much to ask for a real human to review every video before allowing it to be made public. The posting person could perhaps pay a small fee for the video to be reviewed.

We could have more relaxed rules for videos that are private and shared among a small group of other accounts.

Why do we feel entitled to post any video for public consumption for free?

Actually, now that I think about it, its kind of surprising that nations don't require a film and television style rating for every video.

Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next

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Post by ssss11 »

autokad wrote: post #49
gkoberger wrote: post #12

This might not be a popular opinion, but I feel like YouTube is doing their best with a really hard problem. I see a lot of people complaining about things like this, but I also see a lot of people complaining that YouTube/Twitter/etc aren't doing enough to take down false/immoral/illegal content quick enough. [1] It really sucks when a legitimate video is taken down by mistake. But it also really sucks when revenge…

I dont feel sorry for them at all. > "I also see a lot of people complaining that YouTube/Twitter/etc aren't doing enough to take down false/immoral/illegal content quick enough" I dont want these companies touching false/immoral take downs. who are they to decide? sorry, I dont want these people in charge of the moral police. illegal stuff, like revenge porn makes sense. > "YouTube is doing it's best to blend automa…

They should hire more humans to do a proper job and provide actual customer service, using their excessive profits. The AI/automation stuff is just cost cutting and its lowering the quality of service.

Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next

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Post by panzagl »

vageli wrote: post #44
panzagl wrote: post #39

Is there a legitimate, distinct, unique use case for cryptocurrency to weigh against it's use as an enabler for extortion??

The ability to transact anonymously online shouldn't be understated.

Transact for what? What am I more likely to need bitcoin for than to pay off some script kiddie?

Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next

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Post by [deleted] »

dntbnmpls wrote: post #46
gkoberger wrote: post #12

This might not be a popular opinion, but I feel like YouTube is doing their best with a really hard problem. I see a lot of people complaining about things like this, but I also see a lot of people complaining that YouTube/Twitter/etc aren't doing enough to take down false/immoral/illegal content quick enough. [1] It really sucks when a legitimate video is taken down by mistake. But it also really sucks when revenge…

> YouTube/Twitter/etc aren't doing enough to take down false/immoral/illegal content This is so sneaky. Why link "false" and "immoral" and "illegal" together? I can agree that social media should take down illegal content, but "false" and "immoral" content should be left up. People who whine about "false" content really mean facts and truths they disagree with. As for immoral, do we really want to play this game? Imm…

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Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next

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Post by sneak »

gkoberger wrote: post #12

This might not be a popular opinion, but I feel like YouTube is doing their best with a really hard problem. I see a lot of people complaining about things like this, but I also see a lot of people complaining that YouTube/Twitter/etc aren't doing enough to take down false/immoral/illegal content quick enough. [1] It really sucks when a legitimate video is taken down by mistake. But it also really sucks when revenge…

There is no reason for them to be censoring how-to videos, even if those how-to videos are for illegal things.

This isn’t “cut them some slack” xor “revenge porn”.

This is the automated (mis)application of a rule against educational videos, a rule that should not exist in the first place.

Censorship platforms are inherently dangerous.

Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next

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Post by panzagl »

ericflo wrote: post #43
panzagl wrote: post #39

Is there a legitimate, distinct, unique use case for cryptocurrency to weigh against it's use as an enabler for extortion??

It's in the post - the author was able to put the taken-down video back up on lbry.tv, which is a cryptocurrency-based decentralized media platform.

But he could have put it on Vimeo as well.

Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next

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Post by code_duck »

autokad wrote: post #49
gkoberger wrote: post #12

This might not be a popular opinion, but I feel like YouTube is doing their best with a really hard problem. I see a lot of people complaining about things like this, but I also see a lot of people complaining that YouTube/Twitter/etc aren't doing enough to take down false/immoral/illegal content quick enough. [1] It really sucks when a legitimate video is taken down by mistake. But it also really sucks when revenge…

I dont feel sorry for them at all. > "I also see a lot of people complaining that YouTube/Twitter/etc aren't doing enough to take down false/immoral/illegal content quick enough" I dont want these companies touching false/immoral take downs. who are they to decide? sorry, I dont want these people in charge of the moral police. illegal stuff, like revenge porn makes sense. > "YouTube is doing it's best to blend automa…

>HIRE SOME PEOPLE. they have huge margins, it would take very little for these companies to hire some people to review content.

Agreed. That's something that's frequently said about Google and Facebook... That their volume is so large, they couldn't possibly do a better job with customer service. Given that they each make billions in profit every quarter, I find it hard to believe that improving customer service is unfeasible or too expensive.

Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next

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Post by everfree »

gkoberger wrote: post #12

This might not be a popular opinion, but I feel like YouTube is doing their best with a really hard problem. I see a lot of people complaining about things like this, but I also see a lot of people complaining that YouTube/Twitter/etc aren't doing enough to take down false/immoral/illegal content quick enough. [1] It really sucks when a legitimate video is taken down by mistake. But it also really sucks when revenge…

The solution is really very easy, add more human moderators like other companies do. But that would cut into their profit, so they don't.

Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next

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Post by tekkk »

gkoberger wrote: post #12

This might not be a popular opinion, but I feel like YouTube is doing their best with a really hard problem. I see a lot of people complaining about things like this, but I also see a lot of people complaining that YouTube/Twitter/etc aren't doing enough to take down false/immoral/illegal content quick enough. [1] It really sucks when a legitimate video is taken down by mistake. But it also really sucks when revenge…

I don't think they are really doing their best. If other Google's support forums are any indicator of their effort, they are mostly trying to automate the whole process as much as possible which then causes errors like this. Which makes sense from the SV software engineer perspective, but really is unfathomable to the normal user who then has to live in fear if some malicious teenager decides to ruin their channel.

Instead of actually trying to create the best customer service, to me it feels that they treat it like a fun ML problem that they want to solve with magical algorithmic pixie dust.

Yeah I know it's terribly expensive to keep a horde of content reviewers, but then it would be nice for Youtube to be upfront about it that there is maybe a human in the process, but most likely not. I guess honesty is not anymore a valuable commodity in this world, yet it would feel nice sometimes to hear the truth, not some lawyer jargon to avoid all responsibility.

Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next

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Post by unreal37 »

elicash wrote: post #15
gkoberger wrote: post #12

This might not be a popular opinion, but I feel like YouTube is doing their best with a really hard problem. I see a lot of people complaining about things like this, but I also see a lot of people complaining that YouTube/Twitter/etc aren't doing enough to take down false/immoral/illegal content quick enough. [1] It really sucks when a legitimate video is taken down by mistake. But it also really sucks when revenge…

I agree with this, except that the reason they receive so much criticism is because of their monopoly status. If you're trying to make money from digital video, getting banned or even demonetized from YouTube is a death sentence on your vlogger career. So sure, I don't blame YouTube. They're likely good folks doing their best to solve hard problems. At the same time, that this is such an impossible problem to deal wi…

I think you're giving them too much credit for "monopoly status". I know a LOT of creators who make a lot of money with digital video (including myself) who don't have much to do with YouTube.

I know YouTube is called the "second most popular search engine", but it's not a monopoly when it comes to digital video.

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