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I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next

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Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next

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Post by rrmm »

the_af wrote: post #22
gkoberger wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that true? I mean, you can also argue it's only ever an issue in the first place if you have enough clout to be targeted. And I haven't seen any proof that people "without clout" aren't able to get it resolved, have you? Even this person isn't exactly a YouTube heavy-hitter, it's a relatively niche channel.

I don't know about YouTube, but I know for a fact some kinds of bans on Facebook can only be reversed if you have a friend inside Facebook that advocates for you and contacts the relevant team. Source: I know because I have such a friend, and only going through him and not through the official appeal channels got stuff unbanned (not mine: I was in turn advocating for friends. Not that it matters). The official channe…

It's happened multiple times on hn (given the large number of google peoples milling about).

Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next

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Post by sildur »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #9
probably_wrong wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My personal, non-Toutuber theory is that people should use YouTube as a promotion channel, but have your main presence elsewhere: make your own website your hub, use Patreon as your main income, and post copies to YouTube, Facebook, Vimeo, Twitch, pretty much wherever you can. That way, if you lose one channel you don't lose your followers, and you can take your time to deal with getting your channel back. And you st…

Unfortunately, if you want to monetize your Youtube, Twitch, or other videos, the partner agreements on those platforms explicitly forbid uploading the same content to other video sites within certain time periods or posting videos on one platform to send users to your preferred platform. In particular, I know that you have to wait at least 24 hours after a Twitch stream to upload the VOD to Youtube, you can't co-str…

They could post a free teaser in YouTube with a link to their main platform.

Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next

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Post by elicash »

StreamBright wrote: post #8
Findeton wrote: post #3

I keep reading these horror stories about YouTube. It must really suck, as there are alternatives, but they just don't have the audience YouTube has. I guess there just isn't much we can do about this apart from hosting elsewhere when necessary?

I guess it is changing after Joe Rogan is moving to Spotify. He has a point.

Weirdly enough, Spotify's goal is to scoop up all the money that's currently going directly to podcasters by making the advertising market more efficient.

They want to enjoy the type of monopoly that Facebook/Google/Amazon currently have online, except in the podcast space.

Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next

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Post by [deleted] »

vosper wrote: post #25
monadic2 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I see a lot of people complaining about things like this, but I also see a lot of people complaining that YouTube/Twitter/etc aren't doing enough to take down false/immoral/illegal content quick enough. Do you have an example? These seem like inherently contradictory values. You can either make a safe platform or one that treats its tenants well. Like many of its products, google has not made it clear which set of…

> Do you have an example? LMGTFY https://www.google.com/search?q=youtube+%22not+doing+enough%...

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Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next

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Post by newacct583 »

jimbob45 wrote: post #5

Yeah, our copyright laws are absurd but how do you change them when we spent the tariff wars forcing other countries to adopt US copyright laws? How could we go back now?

There's no copyright claim involved here. The complaint process being abused was an anticircumvention thing.

Now, you can argue that those anticircumvention laws exist in service to the existing copyright regime, sure. But those aren't the laws we forced other countries to adopt.

Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next

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Post by artificial »

the_af wrote: post #22
gkoberger wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that true? I mean, you can also argue it's only ever an issue in the first place if you have enough clout to be targeted. And I haven't seen any proof that people "without clout" aren't able to get it resolved, have you? Even this person isn't exactly a YouTube heavy-hitter, it's a relatively niche channel.

I don't know about YouTube, but I know for a fact some kinds of bans on Facebook can only be reversed if you have a friend inside Facebook that advocates for you and contacts the relevant team. Source: I know because I have such a friend, and only going through him and not through the official appeal channels got stuff unbanned (not mine: I was in turn advocating for friends. Not that it matters). The official channe…

FB channels are slow even if you're giving them millions of dollars in ad spend.

Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next

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Post by prox »

kemonocode wrote: post #16
gkoberger wrote: post #12

This might not be a popular opinion, but I feel like YouTube is doing their best with a really hard problem. I see a lot of people complaining about things like this, but I also see a lot of people complaining that YouTube/Twitter/etc aren't doing enough to take down false/immoral/illegal content quick enough. [1] It really sucks when a legitimate video is taken down by mistake. But it also really sucks when revenge…

It's only ever resolved favorably if you have enough clout. I understand there simply not being enough manpower on Earth to manually review so many cases, but the balance seems to be so heavily skewed towards automation (which still does a very piss poor job at it) that just feels like there's no human element vetting the final decision at all, and that's the approach which so many people have gripes about, rightfull…

Why is there no trust factor established? I mean if you have been posting without any hiccups for many years, you should be protected from trolls like this.

Re: I was blackmailed – any YouTuber could be next

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Post by anakaine »

gkoberger wrote: post #12

This might not be a popular opinion, but I feel like YouTube is doing their best with a really hard problem. I see a lot of people complaining about things like this, but I also see a lot of people complaining that YouTube/Twitter/etc aren't doing enough to take down false/immoral/illegal content quick enough. [1] It really sucks when a legitimate video is taken down by mistake. But it also really sucks when revenge…

In this case the author shares your view. That is until the point where the third review found their video in violation. One might argue there is a corrupted element in the youtube moderation team that is either lazy, or on the take. I'd wager both.

I think the best solution would be a wide, distributed network of automated takedowns targeting every nth video, but avoiding the high profile accounts. Ramp this up to a large enough issue and they will be forced to respond with a better process, otherwise their content network dies by their own process.

I'm not actually advocating that the above should happen, just suggesting it would turn the tables. Fight bots with bots.

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