hold on, isn't this against some constitutional freedoms of our american friends? or am I misunderstanding something here?
YouTube deleting Palmer Luckey’s comments about CCP’s Wumao division
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Re: YouTube deleting Palmer Luckey’s comments about CCP’s Wumao division
#52And now this story has been flagged on hacker news... It's already off the front page despite 103 upvotes in 1 hour
I use the mirror hckrnews.com where items doesn't disappear as quick.
Re: YouTube deleting Palmer Luckey’s comments about CCP’s Wumao division
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
But the same persons would be scandalized if youtube would censor US politicians propaganda. Because I tell you, looking at Fox News as a European, I can't understand how it qualifies as "news", yet many americans are very attached to it. I'm sure there are plenty of chinese people that feels like Fox News viewers about their own news sources. And they think they are right just as much. And each camp will say "you ca…
Fox news is a laughably pathetic excuse for news. But, so are the rest of the major corporate news outlets. In the US, they're all garbage, and Fox isn't any worse than the others. The best way I can describe this is by analogizing to Canada, where I'm from. In Canada, when you watch or read the news (eg CBC), for the most part it just tells you what happened. In the US, when you watch or read the news, for the most…
This is exactly my feeling with French news as well (the mainstream ones at least).
Since one of our national sports is to protest, people complain that "they" (the bad news paper or station) is showing one side only, and that "we" are different.
In reality they all tell the same thing, objectively without even editorializing it. So I can read Le Monde, Le Figaro, l'Obs, la Croix or l'Humanité and get the same info. And this is very good.
Re: YouTube deleting Palmer Luckey’s comments about CCP’s Wumao division
#54This is why I believe it is important to teach our children from first principles; we can no longer rely on media, left or right, to convey a large percentage of truth. I am old enough that the cliche "believe only half of what you read" is still good advice. Too many people glued to their devices, knee-jerk responses without much thought and propagate misinformation at almost the speed of electrons without consultin…
> left or right There are very few false news actors on the left. Most fake news is either corporate or state-sponsored, and /somehow/ that heavily skews very right.
I didn't write false or fake news. I wrote we cannot rely on media, left or right, to convey a large percentage of truth. My comment is more one of bias, and if you think bias is mainly a right thing, and very little bias on the left well,...to paraphrase David Foster Wallace's short parable: "Water? What's water?" - a fish.
Re: YouTube deleting Palmer Luckey’s comments about CCP’s Wumao division
#55This is why I believe it is important to teach our children from first principles; we can no longer rely on media, left or right, to convey a large percentage of truth. I am old enough that the cliche "believe only half of what you read" is still good advice. Too many people glued to their devices, knee-jerk responses without much thought and propagate misinformation at almost the speed of electrons without consultin…
> left or right There are very few false news actors on the left. Most fake news is either corporate or state-sponsored, and /somehow/ that heavily skews very right.
How about the nytimes printing the names of 100,000 people who died of covid-19?
Re: YouTube deleting Palmer Luckey’s comments about CCP’s Wumao division
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, just start a post about it.
I already have. So far it's been ignored entirely. You can talk about manipulation of any other social network here, but suggesting HN is being manipulated is oddly taboo.
So, no interest? The answer isn't to spam it other places to forge interest.
The rule is here to avoid dilution, folks hijacking a post to talk about a meta-topic. It's been a problem from the start.
Re: YouTube deleting Palmer Luckey’s comments about CCP’s Wumao division
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
But the same persons would be scandalized if youtube would censor US politicians propaganda. Because I tell you, looking at Fox News as a European, I can't understand how it qualifies as "news", yet many americans are very attached to it. I'm sure there are plenty of chinese people that feels like Fox News viewers about their own news sources. And they think they are right just as much. And each camp will say "you ca…
Fox news is a laughably pathetic excuse for news. But, so are the rest of the major corporate news outlets. In the US, they're all garbage, and Fox isn't any worse than the others. The best way I can describe this is by analogizing to Canada, where I'm from. In Canada, when you watch or read the news (eg CBC), for the most part it just tells you what happened. In the US, when you watch or read the news, for the most…
eqdw:
>Fox news is a laughably pathetic excuse for news.
>But, so are the rest of the major corporate news outlets. In the US, they're all garbage, and Fox isn't any worse than the others.
I agree that all the major corporate news outlets are pretty bad. But Fox News is _significantly_ worse. They push patently false narratives on purpose. Up until March, Sean Hannity was calling the Coronavirus a "leftist hoax". He never apologized or corrected himself and even had the audacity to further report "we've always reported accurately on the Coronavirus". Most of their shows push some form of the "deep state" conspiracy theory. And now they're helping the president push this "Obama-Gate" hoax.
Everything they do is designed to help the GOP and the president.
Jon Stewart once put it very well when he said (paraphrasing) - "other news orgs are sensationalist and maybe a little bit lazy, but none are as activist as Fox News".
Re: YouTube deleting Palmer Luckey’s comments about CCP’s Wumao division
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
But the same persons would be scandalized if youtube would censor US politicians propaganda. Because I tell you, looking at Fox News as a European, I can't understand how it qualifies as "news", yet many americans are very attached to it. I'm sure there are plenty of chinese people that feels like Fox News viewers about their own news sources. And they think they are right just as much. And each camp will say "you ca…
Fox news is a laughably pathetic excuse for news. But, so are the rest of the major corporate news outlets. In the US, they're all garbage, and Fox isn't any worse than the others. The best way I can describe this is by analogizing to Canada, where I'm from. In Canada, when you watch or read the news (eg CBC), for the most part it just tells you what happened. In the US, when you watch or read the news, for the most…
There are other ways to shape discourse, too, though. For example, cover some stories to the point of obsession and simply completely ignore others, even if they should qualify as big news. The best way to counter that is to read a lot of widely varied news stories and insist that all of them present solid, factual and scientific grounding.
Re: YouTube deleting Palmer Luckey’s comments about CCP’s Wumao division
#59The scary part is that there is a significant contingent of people in tech who believe Youtube is morally justified in doing this because it's a private platform, and therefore and not subject to human rights standards like freedom of speech. Want to criticize an abusive regime? Build your own Youtube clone!
Things are not black or white, I'm afraid. My comment is not directly related to this matter about the Chinese Gov. Freedom of Speech will always collide with questions of hate speech, massive spread of fake informations, astroturfing... You'll always have to draw a line between moderation and censorship, and yes economical interests will be involved but way before that it's already a complex subject. Things are very…
China, though, is known to have a large group of astroturfers making pro-CCP comments, not just to demand censoring terms.
Also, it seems odd that this would apply to commenters outside of China.
Re: YouTube deleting Palmer Luckey’s comments about CCP’s Wumao division
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
An arms race like that favours the trolls though. I do believe the answer to an overly snoopy surveillance state is to drown it in data.
In that case everybody ends up as a false positive in some subsystem with real consequences.
If everyone is a false positive, the system is clearly poorly designed.