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Re: Facebook executives shut down efforts to make the site less divisive

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You know what the internet needs? User agents. We've got this idea stuck in our heads that only the website itself is allowed to curate content. Only Facebook gets to decide which Facebook posts to show us. What if, instead, you had a personal AI that read every Facebook post and then decided what to show you. Trained on your own preferences, under your control, with whatever settings you like. Instead of being tuned…

uhh or just show me all the posts in chronological order

Re: Facebook executives shut down efforts to make the site less divisive

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I really didn't realize until perhaps the last 2 years that Facebook fundamentally tapped some hidden human need/instinct to argue with people who they believe are incorrect. Specifically, and more importantly, combined with the human inability to actively decide to not pay attention when things are inconsequential or not yet worth arguing about. Sometimes, just shutting up about an issue and not discussing it is the…

How does your postulation map to say, anti-vax?

Re: Facebook executives shut down efforts to make the site less divisive

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This connection doesn't mean shit compared to someone you see face to face and share experiences with. Yet this watered down form of connection seems to have replaced the latter, which I think is the fundamental social problem of the internet.

Does it matter the quality of the connection? The argument is about being shown different viewpoints and that the internet shows you more than in person. Is that hard to disagree with? I didn’t even know atheism was a thing until I was on the Internet. No one in my community was an atheist and the media we were provided didn’t reference it much.

I think quality is almost the only thing that matters.

Personal anecdotes aside, we're mostly terrible at dealing with new ideas when they conflict with stuff we already know or is close to our identity. Remove the human element of the connection and we're even more likely to dismiss said conflicting ideas outright as stupid (I'll try link to that research). It's not hard to imagine how that might lead to strong yet poorly justified social division.

Re: Facebook executives shut down efforts to make the site less divisive

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I disagree on this - I have a more optimistic view of the ability for people to change how they think. You're right that a core belief tied into someone's identity is not going to be changed by new evidence, unless you can get people to value trying to figure out what's true and updating on evidence itself (rather than having an 'answer' already and just using motivated reasoning to come up with arguments that suppor…

> unless you can get people to value trying to figure out what's true and updating on evidence itself What evidence could you give to disprove the belief that abortion is murder? The belief is not a claim about evidence; it's a claim about priorities, as the GP said. Or, if you like, about what actions count as belonging to what categories.

See my other comment for how I think about/tackle abortion specifically: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23315552

Re: Facebook executives shut down efforts to make the site less divisive

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RSS is yet another example of separating content from presentation.

I don't see this as a bad thing. I experience this as a good thing. The RSS feeds I subscribe to give me plenty of "presentation" or "branding". Logos, written descriptions [both short- and long-form], clear names of what I am subscribing to, URLs. Just the right amount for me, in fact; if I wanted to go to their website(s) for their particular buffet of blog posts, featured puff pieces on Page Five, twitter mentions…

Agreed completely. RSS is an example of what content–presentation separation could be if we made it more prevalent across the web.

There seems to be a steady thread of this sentiment here on HN, yet over the years no one has quite cracked this nut. Solutions welcome!

Re: Facebook executives shut down efforts to make the site less divisive

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I think abortion is a lot easier when you frame the argument around suffering. I think part of the problem with abortion is the left argues that "it is not a life" which is generally a weak argument. It's better to accept/concede that you are ending life, but doing so without suffering before there's a neural net that can recognize anything - I think that's the important bit (and why third trimester abortions are ban…

> I think part of the problem with abortion is the left argues that "it is not a life" I don't think this is accurate. Getting a typical pro-choice person to discuss the fetus at all, much less whether it can be called alive, takes some serious cornering (I am pro-choice, to be clear).

Sure, but diverting the question from the topic where your point is weakest is just misdirection and isn't very persuasive.

There are a lot of good reasons other than this one to support pro-choice, but those reasons will be irrelevant to someone who views 'abortion as murder'. You have to put yourself in their position and reason about it like they would, then think about what is the best argument from their position.

Basically steel-manning their side and then tackling the best argument head on.

I think this is where really interesting discussions happen and where minds can change, otherwise you end up just discussing the same tired points without making any progress.

Re: Facebook executives shut down efforts to make the site less divisive

#408

You know what the internet needs? User agents. We've got this idea stuck in our heads that only the website itself is allowed to curate content. Only Facebook gets to decide which Facebook posts to show us. What if, instead, you had a personal AI that read every Facebook post and then decided what to show you. Trained on your own preferences, under your control, with whatever settings you like. Instead of being tuned…

We're a small team working in stealth on this exact challenge. Shoot me a note if you're interested in hearing more or getting involved. itshelikos@gmail.com

Re: Facebook executives shut down efforts to make the site less divisive

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I simply cannot understand the motivation of people who seemingly want to be made angry.

I’ve had friends tell me I’m just buying my head in the sand, but I don’t think I am. I’m trying my best not to be manipulated into a worse emotional state. I don’t go on Facebook anymore because I realize that objectively time spent on Facebook made me less happy.

Re: Facebook executives shut down efforts to make the site less divisive

#410

I really didn't realize until perhaps the last 2 years that Facebook fundamentally tapped some hidden human need/instinct to argue with people who they believe are incorrect. Specifically, and more importantly, combined with the human inability to actively decide to not pay attention when things are inconsequential or not yet worth arguing about. Sometimes, just shutting up about an issue and not discussing it is the…

I really don't like the "it can't be helped" attitude about what Facebook has become.

They made a choice to throw gasoline on the flames of these aspects of human behavior. Few people seem to realize that Facebook could have been a force for good, if they had made different choices or had more integrity when it comes to the design and vision of their platform.

The way that things happened is not they only possible way they could have happened, and resigning to the current state as "inevitable", to me, reeks of an incredible lack of imagination.

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