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Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant

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I am located in Hashimoto, Kanagawa (search for 神奈川県相模原市橋本 in Google Maps if you want to see where this is) and may be able to provide some insight. Japan is a relatively small country, but the current atmosphere is considerably different in different locations. My experience near Tokyo has been quite interesting, but it is nothing compared to the disaster that has unfolded north of here. For those close to the big e…

Are the rolling blackouts happening all over Tokyo? Are people in Tokyo going to work and are kids going to their schools now just like before? Good luck to you.

The rolling blackouts are imposed in the cities and prefectures around Tokyo, but central Tokyo itself (the 23 wards) keep power so that the government and key industry can continue to function. Here is a map: http://www.accessj.com/2011/03/quake-power-outage-area-map.h...

Basically, areas are assigned to one of five groups, and the electric company announces when each group will be without power. A given group may be without power for one or two ~3-hour periods between 6:20am and 10:00pm. The schedule is rotated for fairness, as power outages have significant impact on business. Note that south/west Japan is not part of this because they use 60hz AC while north/east Japan uses 50hz AC and the technology to convert on a large scale is not in place.

The power outage schedule has been a bit frustrating, but we cannot really complain when we think of the larger context and the extreme difficulties that people are going through in other parts of Japan. The electric company said that they would post the schedule for a given day by 18:00 of the day before, but I have yet to see that happen. The schedule often changes, and this afternoon was my second time to wait for a power outage that did not come. Japan uses loudspeakers to give out current information, but I live in between two loudspeakers and am unable to make much sense of either one, particularly with the echoes. When the power did not go out this afternoon, I checked the electric company website again and see that it was updated; my power is now scheduled to be out from 3:20pm to 7:00pm. A chart on a recent newspaper article looks like a sane schedule, and I hope they stick with it! http://mainichi.jp/select/weathernews/20110311/news/20110316...

I have not been to downtown Tokyo lately myself, but stories from friends indicate that the atmosphere is very different there as well, despite the fact that they always have power. I would love to go check it out myself, but I refrain from doing so in fear that it may difficult to return home if something happens while I am out. (I was returning from Tokyo on Friday afternoon and enjoyed a long hike home then, after being evacuated from a train.)

Thank you very much for your wishes. Personally, I was very close to the epicenter of a M7.0 earthquake years ago, and with that experience behind me, I remain quite calm and unworried. I quit my job last year and am bootstrapping a lean startup, so I am working at home and do not even need to worry about commuting. :)

Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant

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What the Russians did at Chernobyl was they asked the army for volunteers fully informing the soldiers that it could be a suicide mission. They ended up getting more volunteers than they needed.

Really? I've seen a couple of docos where the firefighters and such said they had no idea what they were getting themselves into . . .

Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant

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The on-site workers have left, those who were basically right next to the reactor. There is no indication in any article I have read that they will soon return, only plans of helicopter based fire-fighting or other options.

They ruled out using helicopters as anything but a last resort in the press conference. They said it was too risky to dump lots of water on the already fragile reactors.

And it would seem they have decided to take the risk. NHK reporting Japan self-defense forces are preparing to pour water on Daiichi No. 3 reactor from helicopter.

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Headline is false (possibly mistranslation). According to http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/15/latest-updates-o... : 11:13 P.M. (EST) Core Group of Workers Remain at Plant The Times’s Hiroko Tabuchi reports that a small group of workers remains at the Fukushima Daiichi plant, contrary to what an English translation of the chief cabinet secretary’s remarks had implied. Edit: http://live.reuters.com/Event/Japan_…

I waited a while to get a feel from multiple media outlets before replying to you, and CNN aired the video of the remarks in question in that time...based upon waiting, it would appear that the headline is in fact true. BBC, AP, and CNN have all reported that operations have been suspended due to high radiation levels, as high as 1,000 mSv at their peak, which is enough to justify complete evacuation as I understand…

It would be awfully nice if people included units of time when talking about sieverts, because it is a cumulative measurement. If you don't mention how long it takes to absorb a reported dosage people are going to get unnecessarily confused.

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False attention grabbing title. They have not abandoned it, they said in the press conference just passed that they had suspended operations due to a radiation peak but they expected to resume again without much delay. Edit: The workers have returned http://roound.com/redalert

The entire article didn't mention any kind of expectation for resuming operations, and you are doubting the Associated Press here, not Gizmodo. Can you cite the rest? So far, I can only find this AP story.

Thou shalt not doubt The Associated Press. Unbelievable.

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What the Russians did at Chernobyl was they asked the army for volunteers fully informing the soldiers that it could be a suicide mission. They ended up getting more volunteers than they needed.

Really? I've seen a couple of docos where the firefighters and such said they had no idea what they were getting themselves into . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbCcutzXzYg

I was just in the middle of this. I'm at about 4 minutes, and the people have gas masks around their necks that they're not even bothering to use. Seems like they're oblivious.

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Nikkei and CNN both reported that 50 employees stayed behind out of 800, with CNN quoting someone as saying that they should be considered heroes for doing so (couldn't agree more). If you click CNN's "breaking" on this topic, the article actually still says that. This is certainly a much more serious development. Edit: Anderson Cooper called this "hard to believe" on-air, and he's being careful about how to word it.…

That was yesterdays news. Those ~50 remaining all evacuated apparently. Also, the Wikipedia "Timeline of Fukushima nuclear accidents" has been reliable for the latest updates - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Fukushima_nucle...

11:36 The remaining 50 workers located in the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant have evacuated after radiation levels there have surged. They were allowed back in less than an hour later.

Re: Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant

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Just in case anyone is wondering, levels of radiation in Shinjuku, Tokyo, have remained at about 0.05µSv/hr for the day, tapering off from 0.1µSv/hr for a few hours very early this morning (before the evacuation from Dai-Ichi). Equivalent to about one chest x-ray each month. Normally the amount in Tokyo is 0.035µSv/hr.

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What the Russians did at Chernobyl was they asked the army for volunteers fully informing the soldiers that it could be a suicide mission. They ended up getting more volunteers than they needed.

Really? I've seen a couple of docos where the firefighters and such said they had no idea what they were getting themselves into . . .

That is correct, the original first responders had no idea and many of them died within a few days. Afterwards the government called for volunteers.
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