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Re: Mastodon: Add end-to-end encryption API

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Post by thrwaway69 »

willvarfar wrote: post #28
thrwaway69 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shows how much society cares about anyone that's not popular. There are many people who are suicidal - no named hanging out on mstdn or other internet holes. There are many who get bullied everyday in real life and it's worse because you don't have a block button. Why is everyone so focused on cyberbullying these days? They couldn't solve bullying in school. Only made it worse by putting responsibility on management.…

It is true that celebrities suffering brings attention and can be the catalyst for change. Bullying has always been a problem. Sometimes its physical, but its always mental. The child who is ostracized is bullied too. Now, in the virtual world, children find it follows them home too. Even if a child is offline after school, they hear all about what was said about them when they get back to school in the morning. Wher…

But censoring won't stop the bullying in any case. Neither will throwing responsibility around. We have tried both approach. Everytime, something ridiculous come up. All the good guys will go away while the ones willing to bend the law or spirit will stay. They will stay despite being in the grey or illegal because they accumulate enough funds or traction to do so.

Enforcement doesn't happen linearly. And if you stop the bullies from letting others discover them at all, there's no hope to changing them. They will still be able to bully someone but it won't be a celebrity, I guess because they are public.

Re: Mastodon: Add end-to-end encryption API

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Post by sgt »

throwawaysea wrote: post #15

What’s the point of Mastodon given the creators are against free speech and for censorship along ideological lines? I don’t see a remaining value proposition for end users.

If let's say Stormfront.org wanted to create their own Mastodon instance spreading their thoughts, they'd be free to do so. I'm sure the Mastodon creators wouldn't like it, but they'd have to ideologically support the very idea of allowing them this, as it comes down to free speech.

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Post by young_unixer »

jack1243star wrote: post #26
throwaway1997 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was assuming it was due to the sheer volume of loli being posted on that instance. Most instances block / mute it for this reason.

The whole blocking situation turns me away from Mastodon. Short of maintaining my own instance, there's no way to be sure I can follow anyone I'd like to, or communicate with them. There's no way to find out from the outside if an instance is defederated.

I left Mastodon because the big "traditional"/sanctioned instances started banning other instances they didn't like, specifically Gab (instance full of right-wing people that allows basically anything that isn't illegal).

I had high hopes for Mastodon but whatever, this whole social network thing isn't worth the trouble. Now HN and Youtube are the only websites I visit for entertainment.

Re: Mastodon: Add end-to-end encryption API

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Post by [deleted] »

young_unixer wrote: post #33
jack1243star wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole blocking situation turns me away from Mastodon. Short of maintaining my own instance, there's no way to be sure I can follow anyone I'd like to, or communicate with them. There's no way to find out from the outside if an instance is defederated.

I left Mastodon because the big "traditional"/sanctioned instances started banning other instances they didn't like, specifically Gab (instance full of right-wing people that allows basically anything that isn't illegal). I had high hopes for Mastodon but whatever, this whole social network thing isn't worth the trouble. Now HN and Youtube are the only websites I visit for entertainment.

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Re: Mastodon: Add end-to-end encryption API

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Post by charliebrownau »

soraminazuki wrote: post #12
numpad0 wrote: post #4

Could it be why mstdn.jp is shutting down? Official reason is lack of resource to handle anticipated legal requests but that sounded weird.

I think not. Japanese politicians are preparing for a crackdown on cyberbullying after a wrestler killed herself. mstdn.jp states that it won't likely have the operational capability to deal with the anticipated legal changes, whatever that might be. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/culture/2020/05/26/entertainmen...

Women keep on proving they are NEVER equal to MEN and cant handle free speech

Re: Mastodon: Add end-to-end encryption API

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Post by charliebrownau »

young_unixer wrote: post #33
jack1243star wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole blocking situation turns me away from Mastodon. Short of maintaining my own instance, there's no way to be sure I can follow anyone I'd like to, or communicate with them. There's no way to find out from the outside if an instance is defederated.

I left Mastodon because the big "traditional"/sanctioned instances started banning other instances they didn't like, specifically Gab (instance full of right-wing people that allows basically anything that isn't illegal). I had high hopes for Mastodon but whatever, this whole social network thing isn't worth the trouble. Now HN and Youtube are the only websites I visit for entertainment.

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Re: Mastodon: Add end-to-end encryption API

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Post by ReverseCold »

jack1243star wrote: post #27
numpad0 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter had some drama few years back, Japanese non-tech users rushed into Mastodon and completely obliterated the federation, something like 3/4 of global DAU and volume at peak? That forced quite a progress for Mastodon project and left substantial pain for two cultures so there's a bit of Cold War between people taking Western or Japanese sides

> completely obliterated the federation The developer decided to implement instance blocking, not the other way around.

Reminds me of the EFNet (eris free net)/A-net (anarchy net) split.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFnet

Re: Mastodon: Add end-to-end encryption API

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Post by DarkWiiPlayer »

young_unixer wrote: post #33
jack1243star wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole blocking situation turns me away from Mastodon. Short of maintaining my own instance, there's no way to be sure I can follow anyone I'd like to, or communicate with them. There's no way to find out from the outside if an instance is defederated.

I left Mastodon because the big "traditional"/sanctioned instances started banning other instances they didn't like, specifically Gab (instance full of right-wing people that allows basically anything that isn't illegal). I had high hopes for Mastodon but whatever, this whole social network thing isn't worth the trouble. Now HN and Youtube are the only websites I visit for entertainment.

I had a quick look at mastodon a while ago and saw a few more problems with the model, but I wasn't aware instances could block each other. Maybe some day there will be an even more decentralized alternative (Looking at you, indieweb) where it is up to the user whom they block. I'm also not a huge fan of how mastodon is an implementation, more than a protocol.

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Post by abellerose »

thrwaway69 wrote: post #25
soraminazuki wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think not. Japanese politicians are preparing for a crackdown on cyberbullying after a wrestler killed herself. mstdn.jp states that it won't likely have the operational capability to deal with the anticipated legal changes, whatever that might be. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/culture/2020/05/26/entertainmen...

Shows how much society cares about anyone that's not popular. There are many people who are suicidal - no named hanging out on mstdn or other internet holes. There are many who get bullied everyday in real life and it's worse because you don't have a block button. Why is everyone so focused on cyberbullying these days? They couldn't solve bullying in school. Only made it worse by putting responsibility on management.…

Society censors majority of suicides. Normal social status doesn't come with followings that will eventually figure out the person died of suicide.

People say the censoring is to keep others from committing suicide. I think it's simply wrong to censor a person that died from taking their own life. Outrage would be more prevalent if things weren't censored like today. I can rightfully assume not all family members are even informed how someone died in a suicide and contrary if someone in the family is lost to cancer or any other illness that results in death. It's easy to realize why certain illnesses get more funding. More people are aware of it.

A lot of positives could come from everyone understanding not all people enjoy living because of whatever reason they suffer that leads to suicide. Progress comes with understanding. I don't think the mental health field is doing a good job at innovating like we see in the tech industry every few years.

Re: Mastodon: Add end-to-end encryption API

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Post by voxelghost »

sgt wrote: post #32
throwawaysea wrote: post #15

What’s the point of Mastodon given the creators are against free speech and for censorship along ideological lines? I don’t see a remaining value proposition for end users.

If let's say Stormfront.org wanted to create their own Mastodon instance spreading their thoughts, they'd be free to do so. I'm sure the Mastodon creators wouldn't like it, but they'd have to ideologically support the very idea of allowing them this, as it comes down to free speech.

This is not what free speech is about. Freedom of speech means they are free to publish their opinions, but it doesn't mean that you, or anyone, have to let them publish their opinions on your platform/paper/channel.

From the mastodon wikipage:

Gab, a controversial social network with a far-right user base, changed its software platform to a fork of Mastodon and became the largest Mastodon node in July 2019.[37] Gab's adoption of Mastodon allowed Gab to be accessed from third-party Mastodon applications, although four of them blocked Gab shortly after the change.[38] In response, Mastodon stated that it was "completely opposed to Gab’s project and philosophy", and criticized Gab for attempting "to monetize and platform racist content while hiding behind the banner of free speech" and for "paywalling basic features that are freely available on Mastodon".[39]

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