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Google removes over 5M reviews from Play Store to improve TikTok rating

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Re: Google removes over 5M reviews from Play Store to improve TikTok rating

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> "Another reason was the enraged fans of famous Indian YouTuber Carry Minati flooding PlayStore with 1-star reviews. Carry Minati had created a video titled YouTube Vs TikTok, part of an ongoing feud between YouTube and TikTok users. His video went viral and was taken down for violating YouTube’s terms of service. This happended because many TikTok users reported the video saying it was bullying in nature." Seems re…

I happened to watch the video, which was a response to a Tiktok user badmouthing Youtube creators. I didn't really see any bullying, just funny retorts. I guess when it comes to Youtube, they just censor anything as long as enough people complain.

500 hours of video is uploaded to YouTube every minute; it's impossible to moderate all of that. "Lots of users reported it in a short timespan" is a reasonable heuristic to quickly remove ISIS beheading videos and whatnot.

It's not perfect, but nothing YouTube does at this kind of scale will be.

Re: Google removes over 5M reviews from Play Store to improve TikTok rating

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I happened to watch the video, which was a response to a Tiktok user badmouthing Youtube creators. I didn't really see any bullying, just funny retorts. I guess when it comes to Youtube, they just censor anything as long as enough people complain.

500 hours of video is uploaded to YouTube every minute ; it's impossible to moderate all of that. "Lots of users reported it in a short timespan" is a reasonable heuristic to quickly remove ISIS beheading videos and whatnot. It's not perfect, but nothing YouTube does at this kind of scale will be.

Right, but in addition, not providing any transparency to the content creator, or any ability to appeal the decision or re-instate the video in my opinion is unforgivable.

Re: Google removes over 5M reviews from Play Store to improve TikTok rating

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It has only a 1.4 star rating as of right now. It clearly didn't do anything to help the rating of the app.

It could have been far worse had the negative reviews were not removed

The lowest rating is 1 star. 1.4 is almost as bad as you can get.

Re: Google removes over 5M reviews from Play Store to improve TikTok rating

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Posting from a throwaway account - This article barely scratches the surface. This was a very entertaining story that I followed to the minute and here’s some context:

Tiktok content, specifically in India, from the very start has been very[1] very[2] _cringy_ (weird hairstyles, weird things being said, weird ways of expressing friendship, love, etc). I don’t mean the cringe that you associate with western Tiktok content but for some reason majority of what the Indian kids were producing stood out as being beyond cringe to existing internet users (mainly Youtube / Instagram userbase). I suspect this has to do with the millions of first-time internet / smartphone users on Tiktok + the heavy influence of exaggerated emotional Bollywood drama now being done in 15 seconds on a smartphone.

Youtube on the other hand obviously had an existing audience that was used to consuming content of a certain level of quality / production. Apart from just pure cringe content, Tiktok obviously did not bother with copyright infringements much and in fact promoted the concept of people plagiarizing each other’s work. So the Youtube / IG communities started making memes and calling out the cringe and bad content of Tiktok.

At some point one of the big influencers on Tiktok (Amir Siddiqui referred to in this article) provoked one of the biggest Indian Youtuber, Carryminati who is known for roasting people. Amir made a video saying Tiktok videos require talent, hard work, and a lot more dedication than Youtube videos and basically asked Carry to roast him.

Carry then took on the challenge and released an 8-minute roast video that beautifully called out all the cringe that tiktok users make, things that Amir had done in the past, etc. That Youtube roast video set several records within hours. The roast was actually so effective, it was hilarious to browse through Tiktok for the next few days as the entire Tiktok community sort of agreed and started making fun of each other and that single video actually shook the entire Tiktok community.

About 5-6 days later, Youtube took down the video (which was now the highest liked video of India by far) without explanation probably after receiving thousands of flags from tiktok users. It’s worth mentioning that the roast included comparisons of Amir to being a eunuch multiple times among other questionable insults because of his past tiktok videos. In my opinion, the video was definitely not trying to be Politically Correct but it wasn’t bad enough to be taken down.

Once the video was taken down, the Youtube and Instagram(meme pages) community started a campaign to leave a 1-star rating for Tiktok on the playstore and basically destroyed their rating which was about 4.5 when this started.

In case you’re wondering, I am an avid HN reader, an accomplished software engineer but I do spend about 5% of my free time enjoying Indian cringe. In fact I curate a big list of my favorites and share with my friends but very few people actually enjoy the cringe.

Was it worth explaining all of this to one of the most intellectually stimulating forums on the internet? Probably not. But I had to admit to myself that I know a lot more about this story than I’m proud to admit and that it would make me happy that it gets saved in the HN archive.

A copy of the original video that was taken down by Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoZ241zUgbA

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciYohWR2Pio [2] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg9gjmcHgE8

Re: Google removes over 5M reviews from Play Store to improve TikTok rating

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It looks fake. Would a real medical researcher refer to SARS-CoV-2 as "coronavirus" in the title, as if they didn't know there were other common human coronaviruses? Why are they publishing on Google Drive instead of MedrXiv? Why is the last author a lawyer? Why does it say "Stanford PhD" in the byline? Dr. Broker (the first author) does seem to have been doing biomedical research at UAB last year ( https://www.resea…

Yea would like to see source outside DailyMail. Also to people downvoting, why? I’m not backing the source, I’m just curious.

Likely because you posted a comment asking if a source is true on a completely unrelated post.

Re: Google removes over 5M reviews from Play Store to improve TikTok rating

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Were they real reviews, or Indian review-bombs generated as part of a nationalistic campaign to get back at China? Review sections were weaponized long ago, first by companies, and now, increasingly, by nations.

You can judge for yourself. Currently if you sort by 'Most relevant', it looks like about 90% of the reviews are 1 star, by Indian users.

Re: Google removes over 5M reviews from Play Store to improve TikTok rating

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It has only a 1.4 star rating as of right now. It clearly didn't do anything to help the rating of the app.

Oh wow. Why such difference with iOS store where it’s over 4?

Edit: it’s all clearly spam on Google Store

Re: Google removes over 5M reviews from Play Store to improve TikTok rating

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

500 hours of video is uploaded to YouTube every minute ; it's impossible to moderate all of that. "Lots of users reported it in a short timespan" is a reasonable heuristic to quickly remove ISIS beheading videos and whatnot. It's not perfect, but nothing YouTube does at this kind of scale will be.

Right, but in addition, not providing any transparency to the content creator, or any ability to appeal the decision or re-instate the video in my opinion is unforgivable.

Yeah, the entire process of dealing with exceptions (or indeed, anything that involves human judgement) is atrocious at YouTube, and has been for many years.

jwz wrote about this years ago as well (and there are many more stories): https://www.jwz.org/blog/2014/10/youtubes-joke-of-a-fair-use...

That being said, I feel too many people fail to appreciate the problems YouTube is facing and are too quick to simply shout "censorship!"

Re: Google removes over 5M reviews from Play Store to improve TikTok rating

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This really hits on a lot of nerves of the general HN crowd (especially when these things are combined): - Google - "Censorship" (loosely defined) - China (vs India vs a US company, which could really be its own point) But if you read the article it seems to be a logical decision. Google (likely) did something similar for zoom: https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/03/24/zooms-android-app-r... Assuming there's nothing l…

there was no China Vs India. Just Tiktok vs Youtube - really Indian Youtube and Tiktok content creators dissing each other...

Some of the critiques of TikTok definitely fell into nationalist bait, but then again cheap tribalism is as easy fodder for disses today as in any time in history.

> On Friday, BJP MP from Sultanpur and an animal activist, Maneka Gandhi, took to Twitter to slam the Head of TikTok for refusing to delete videos depicting animal cruelty and handing over details of such video creators to the concerned authorities.

> She also accused the Chinese app of increasing its users at the expense of violence against women, children, and animals, besides spreading fake news. “Are you working for India or China? This is not acceptable. I want a much better and firmer commitment immediately and I need to see it in action,” Maneka Gandhi concluded.

https://www.opindia.com/2020/05/tiktok-videos-animal-cruelty...

Re: Google removes over 5M reviews from Play Store to improve TikTok rating

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I understand the need to remove "review bombs", but aren't review bombs reviews too?

Say a company that develops a product says or does something insensitive, in the earlier days, people would publicly boycott that product, related products or what have you. The company would either stand down and apologize, or put it's foot down and say it's right.

Now picture the same thing with Tik-Tok. There are innumerable instances where Tik-tok has been shown to be biased, censors specific content, etc etc.

Review bombing is as good as boycotting a company. Causing a company real consequences in response to their actions.

It's a form of rightful protest. I am not using the product. I am expressing my views about the product in a review system that is public and open. As long as there are no bots involves, Google is morally wrong, in my view.

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