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Re: Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology

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post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a Chief Privacy Officer? Or Chief Information Security Officer? Was the issue raised and the privacy impact miscalculated (not ideal, but mistakes happen) or were the potential privacy implications overlooked entirely?

We do not have a Chief Privacy Officer or Chief Information Security Officer. The issue was raised by our head of product and I dismissed it. I saw it as a minor concern (I'm ashamed to say).

Though you are small and do not have an official chief privacy officer or CISO, do you have personnel that are champions of those desires? If not, nurture or acquire. If so, listen to them. This is 2020. If you look at Zoom, you can argue that security and privacy can come later, that the market will do anything for features and forgive any security or privacy faux pas. You would not be wrong, but such a calculus is what people in this forum are objecting to. People mainly feel bad that the economic incentive for privacy is weak. Are you following GDPR? Have you heard of it? A privacy move on top of your apology and retraction could differentiate your company as the privacy aware alternative, much like DuckDuckGo has made privacy its key differentiator, or, if you need a stronger financially motivating example, much like Apple is touting privacy in all that they do.

Re: Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology

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I didn't get the apology email. I immediately ask they delete my account which never got a response either when I got the public profile email. I asked them to delete my account a couple years ago as well and they never did then either. I will never, ever trust this company or use their product. There are other options out there just as good and not sketchy. PS I like how the email went out on a Friday night too, eve…

I haven't received the apology e-mail either. The only action I took though was to rummage around the profile preferences to find the setting to turn off public profiles.

I wonder if they're sending the e-mails out in waves or if they're only sending them to users who still have the feature enabled?

Re: Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology

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post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a Chief Privacy Officer? Or Chief Information Security Officer? Was the issue raised and the privacy impact miscalculated (not ideal, but mistakes happen) or were the potential privacy implications overlooked entirely?

We do not have a Chief Privacy Officer or Chief Information Security Officer. The issue was raised by our head of product and I dismissed it. I saw it as a minor concern (I'm ashamed to say).

I hope you went back to Aaron and thanked him for that input and perhaps apologized for dismissing it. It can be really frustrating to lead something and have founders/execs shoot down your professional input, ideas, or concerns because... Well, why did you?

Re: Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology

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post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a Chief Privacy Officer? Or Chief Information Security Officer? Was the issue raised and the privacy impact miscalculated (not ideal, but mistakes happen) or were the potential privacy implications overlooked entirely?

We do not have a Chief Privacy Officer or Chief Information Security Officer. The issue was raised by our head of product and I dismissed it. I saw it as a minor concern (I'm ashamed to say).

Next time: pass it by your lawyers for a quick review if you can't trust your own judgment on things like this. Ditto for all the dark patterns you are still using today on your website, clean up your act. Note that you are firmly in the crosshairs of the EU data privacy watchdogs and that the fines are nothing to sneeze at, if you expect to establish and maintain a foothold in this market realize two things:

- trust is a crystal ball, you can drop it and break it, patch it back together again but it will never ever be the same way it was before, it can only degrade

- if you plan on being a player in this field you will have to take the privacy of your users serious, this includes doing your privacy and security reviews by the book because if there ever is an involuntary disclosure what you've seen in the last couple of days will come back hundredfold.

Re: Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology

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Yeah, no. I already deleted my account and I'm not going back. I realise the type of candidate they cater towards would find jobs at companies I wouldn't really want to work at anyway. I'm ashamed that younger me fell for this in the first place.

I'm curious what type of company you're looking for that you'd expect to be underrepresented.

Re: Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Friday announcement was a result of us pushing to get the profile toggle feature out that the email linked to, and shipping late. Not something I'm proud of (either from an eng management perspective, or, more importantly, from a not violating the trust of our users perspective). It was a rushed schedule. In hindsight I see that the timing of the Friday announcement is ALSO a problem.

Hi Ammon, 1. There is an opportunity. 2. You did lose a lot of trust. 3. You didn't have enough trust in the first place to really take advantage of this opportunity. I would encourage you to think about how you can earn that trust. This comes back to transparency and checks-and-balances. If you want to go that route, you will need to build hard constraints: legal and technological constraints which would have preven…

This is all spot on. Super good comment, with the exception of the 'shareholder value maximization', that bit is bull and you should stop repeating it.

Re: Tell HN: Triplebyte reverses, emails apology

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I saw the initial note and didn't think about it much. Figured a public profile was fine for me. For what it's worth, I found good work through Triplebyte at a time when I really needed it and other sources were not panning out. Even if I felt affected I would be inclined to give them a pass on this as long as I could opt out easily.
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