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Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by klingonopera »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #482
klingonopera wrote: post #477

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And so the next step would be to actually throw out the written word and replace it with actual code. I'm serious. Why let "government code" be subject to all the shortcomings and pitfalls of natural language when you could just use cold hard logic and exact math instead? Natural language is just programming for humans, anyways.

That would be a very wrong move. I'm serious. This unreliability that comes from agency of the individual compute nodes has some very important benefits: the system is much more resistant to bugs in code[0], and much more humane . Software, as it is today, doesn't understand morality. That's e.g. you wouldn't want to automate away judges in the justice system - the law is code, but it's buggy, and isn't complete enou…

I'm just going to hook up on your example of the document and the deadline, and state the following: You're assuming a (very) pessimistic scenario (that you likely justify with your experience of IT systems and their bugs, but Apollo 11 had IT too, and got it done, and everyone back).

Allow the benefit of doubt that a "software-based" system would only be implemented, if it were superior in such a way, that such a situation doesn't even occur in the first place. That is the benefit. It alleviates the necessity for the "human-wiggling-around-laws-that-actually-make-it-illegal-what-you're-doing,-but-those-laws-are-stupid,-so-whatever,-we-don't-care-about-that-specific-law".

It's most likely a very unknown concept for anyone presently, since it doesn't yet exist, but I believe, if human civilization works more on the aspect of creating a universal law that is language-agnostic, we would have a better solution than the ones we currently have.

Also, tax filings and the like are basically automated. It's just about expanding such automated concepts for more efficiency as well as removing the language-bias laws exhibit. I'm fully aware of the shortcomings of automation, and also do believe that a human "arbitrator", or judge, is required and preferred.

But in essence, my goal in stating my opinion was to plant the idea of language-agnostic law, for which maths, code and logic can form a solution. It's philosophical pondering towards a global government policy in a very long-run.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by CodeWriter23 »

omnimus wrote: post #503
danShumway wrote: post #460

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't if this will help you make that decision, but Fastmail's alias system is a godsend for me when it comes to filtering incoming emails and protecting myself from spam. With every account you get a finite number of aliases you can create, but in practice that number is high enough that I just use a new alias for every site I visit. Unlike in Gmail, these aliases don't contain any references to your original addr…

I don't want to spoil any joy of yours but this is in my experience pretty standard with most email providers. With some you can do the + trick (which gmail probably still does) but i just have my domain as catchall and it works pretty great with blacklisting.

And a fairly common trick used by those who want to mask how they got your email address is to strip everything between + and @ in the email address you gave them.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by estromlund »

techbubble wrote: post #96
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #57

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Can you suggest an alternative to Voice? I need SMS and voice, and prefer data being optional (Voice can forward to a dumbphone, or even a landline). Happy to pay, just haven't found an obvious direct competitor.

I like the Unlisted app https://www.unlistedapp.com I got it a few years ago and haven't had any problems. I think it might be iOS only. There are plenty of other burner phone number apps which work on both Android and iOS.

Thanks for using and recommending Unlisted! We added an Android version last year and both apps are under active development. I'm happy to answer any questions (or receive feedback about what we could do better) - erik@unlistedapp.com

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by solidsnack9000 »

mschuster91 wrote: post #483
solidsnack9000 wrote: post #436

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I fear this is overstatement...people don't have a recognised right to an appeal if their app is shutdown. Only if the agreements were written in such a way as to define such a right, would a court of law even be involved. This isn't about companies being too big, it's about an absence of rule making. If there were some rules defining the rights, then the courts could, indeed, be involved; but courts can't be brought…

> people don't have a recognised right to an appeal if their app is shutdown. In Germany, people and political parties have obtained court judgements to unlock their Twitter and FB accounts. Generally the principle behind these decisions was that Twitter and FB are a public venue for discourse and therefore it goes against free speech to ban accounts for acceptable speech. The only downside is that it are mostly hard…

That is a Twitter account, not an app.

It is unlikely that any common law jurisdiction would apply freedom of speech so broadly but it is uncertain. It could be that even Germany only applies it in cases where it is clearly a matter of political speech. How broadly do you think this precedent applies?

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by dragonwriter »

klingonopera wrote: post #511
TeMPOraL wrote: post #482

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be a very wrong move. I'm serious. This unreliability that comes from agency of the individual compute nodes has some very important benefits: the system is much more resistant to bugs in code[0], and much more humane . Software, as it is today, doesn't understand morality. That's e.g. you wouldn't want to automate away judges in the justice system - the law is code, but it's buggy, and isn't complete enou…

I'm just going to hook up on your example of the document and the deadline, and state the following: You're assuming a (very) pessimistic scenario (that you likely justify with your experience of IT systems and their bugs, but Apollo 11 had IT too, and got it done, and everyone back). Allow the benefit of doubt that a "software-based" system would only be implemented, if it were superior in such a way, that such a si…

> but Apollo 11 had IT too

So did the Mars Climate Orbiter.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by stevenjohns »

albedoa wrote: post #498
stevenjohns wrote: post #432

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If you see the second half of that sentence, with an example of how... > or they could be unintentionally confusing [to the customer]

We see the second half. Your sentence reduces to: > Trademark violations require intent to mislead, or they do not require intent to mislead. You are trying to assert that this makes sense and that the second half makes the first half correct. Neither is true.

I’m not sure what you’re trying to achieve by leaving multiple successive comments threads about the same topic. I will reply to this message and will withdraw after this.

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The sentence reduces to “trademark violations are considered to have taken place regardless of when there is either an intention to mislead or if a customer was unintentionally misled.”

If the grammar was poop and you can’t make a good faith reading of it (to go so far as to follow me around on this post) then by all means feel free to comment away but I won’t be responding to it.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by thejynxed »

lowiqengineer wrote: post #71
microcolonel wrote: post #48

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> Google needs a damn union just to get some reason in the building. The problem is not mainly with how Google treats their employees (though there's definitely something wrong there), but with how they treat their customers.

Its true - they believe themselves to be so damn smart they behave with rank condescension towards everyone else as the "top 1% of intelligence".

If they were so smart their lunch wouldn't be getting eaten by the likes of Amazon.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by thejynxed »

microcolonel wrote: post #509
Aeolun wrote: post #508

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That is (morally) wrong on so many levels. It’s basically what regulations were invented for.

What would your brilliant regulation entail? Forcing companies to publish software for free when their automated systems think it's malware? Could you even summarize a piece of legislation that doesn't amount to "describe Google, then make everything that annoys us about Google illegal for companies fitting that description"?

Apply anti-trust law as is currently written for starters. Standard Oil and Ma Bell were split for less egregious offenses than we've seen from Alphabet/Google, Apple, Microsoft, and Amazon.

In Standard Oil's case, vertical integration across markets was enough, and pretty much everyone in Big Tech is guilty of this.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by danShumway »

omnimus wrote: post #503
danShumway wrote: post #460

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't if this will help you make that decision, but Fastmail's alias system is a godsend for me when it comes to filtering incoming emails and protecting myself from spam. With every account you get a finite number of aliases you can create, but in practice that number is high enough that I just use a new alias for every site I visit. Unlike in Gmail, these aliases don't contain any references to your original addr…

I don't want to spoil any joy of yours but this is in my experience pretty standard with most email providers. With some you can do the + trick (which gmail probably still does) but i just have my domain as catchall and it works pretty great with blacklisting.

The reason Fastmail's feature matters is specifically because it's not using the + trick or a catch-all domain. They're 'real' aliases, not just Regex filters or wildcards.

If you're using the + trick, you haven't gained any privacy, because I can strip the + and get your original address.

If you're using a catch-all domain, you haven't gained any privacy, because the domain remains a unique identifier for your all of your accounts. It's good for organizing, but not for privacy, because you're still publicly attaching your identity to every email you send.

With fastmail, I don't need to do myaddress+walmart@fastmail.com or walmart@danshumway.com. I can just do walmart@fastmail.com. That's a really large privacy win, since it gets rid of one of the biggest and least regulated unique identifiers that services can share with each other.

I don't know if other providers like Outlook are also offering 'real' aliases. I'm happy if they are, I think this should be an industry standard feature. Either way, switching to any provider does will be a pretty significant feature upgrade over Gmail, even if you're currently using a paid Gmail account with your own domain.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by WesolyKubeczek »

Tehdasi wrote: post #308
bad_user wrote: post #210

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Yes I do remember. Then extensions started being a spyware / malware delivery mechanism, with popular ones being bought and turned overnight. Coupled with browser plugins shoved down on the user's throat by various Windows software, this made Firefox unusable, at least on Windows. It's why back in 2010 I started recommending Chrome to family, because Chrome installations kept being clean. It's why we can't have nice…

From malwarebytes: "Spyware. Although it sounds like a James Bond gadget, it’s actually a type of malware that infects your PC or mobile device and gathers information about you, including the sites you visit, the things you download, your usernames and passwords, payment information, and the emails you send and receive." Yep, Google is certainly protecting us from companies that do that.

Both Chrome webstore and Google play are infested with spyware, maladware and such. Yet it’s not a problem when the big G is pimping them.
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