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Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

#581

Triplebyte was already a joke, this was the straw that broke the camel’s back. Their whole “Fast Track” program claiming to allow you to skip technical interviews is a total fraud of a marketing ploy. They make you take a 2 hour live coding interview with a Triplebyte engineer, with the promise that if you pass, you won’t need to do any more technical interviews with companies through Triplebyte, only “final-round pe…

"They make you take a 2 hour live coding interview with a Triplebyte engineer, with the promise that if you pass, you won’t need to do any more technical interviews with companies through Triplebyte, only “final-round personality-style on-sites”." I was never given the impression that there would be no more technical interviews after the Triplebyte one. They were always crystal clear with me that there would be 2 ste…

I think they went out of their way to make the whole thing as vague as possible, and hide the value proposition, possibly because they didn't really know it themselves, and tried to be "flexible" to pivot and cater to everyone.

The whole proposition was to:

* charge $500/onsite to the employers (that's often way below what it costs to bring an out-of-state candidate to Cali for an onsite — Triplebyte intentionally low-balled the cost for the travel arrangements of an onsite to waste everyone's time on pointless onsites), and,

* bring candidates for a whole week of onsites to a given physical location (you were limited and encouraged to have up to 5 onsites in SF Bay and up to 5 in NYC, e.g., you'd spend a whole week (5 nights) at each location if you were to get and accept enough offers for the onsites, where both you and the employer have to make a decision after a single 30 minute phone call).

They did this by booking really bad flights out of far-away airports (unless you push back); really bad hotels in the most shady areas (unless you push back); not covering the hotel on the final day at the location (decent SF Bay always cover both nights) and requiring red-eye flights; and not covering per-diem, even though it's the industry's standard practice to cover per-diem; and also not covering airport parking or mileage to the airport — all of these items are always covered by all other companies hiring directly.

Because no employed candidate could simply spend two weeks interviewing all over the place, they've obviously prayed on the unemployed people, by misrepresenting the opportunity, and doing a bait-and-switch at the final minute in regards to the travel arrangements, once everything else is already in place.

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I think the biggest proposition and the selling point was for the startups to cheaply access out-of-state candidates for $500/onsite, and then offer a lower salary because it's been scientifically proven that salary expectations are lower for people moving to SF Bay Area from out-of-state (e.g., look at the study that Hired did a few years ago).

I was determined by Triplebyte to be in the top-3% of folk — I was accepted by Triplebyte after passing the 2h technical interview with one of their engineers; but my onsites weren't particularly aligned; and Triplebyte did several misrepresentations and dragged their feet throughout the whole process as well.

I would not recommend Triplebyte to anyone until they raise the price of an onsite to maybe 750 to 1k per onsite for the employers and cover travel in full for the candidates (including parking, mileage and per-diem). Low-balling the cost of the onsite results in employers giving these left and right without much thought; the candidates aren't even informed that standard travel costs won't be covered, in fact, Triplebyte does the opposite, and claims that it covers all travel expenses, which is a big lie.

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However, do I think it's a good idea for Triplebyte to pivot to tackle LinkedIn? Yes, most definitely. Triplebyte introduced candidate certificates a while ago, but I don't think these were particularly marketable the way they've been implemented in the past; it's also not particularly clear how it'll work from the financial perspective, because it costs real money to do all those 2h interviews.

Is it a good idea to require an opt-out instead of an opt-in? Yeah, if you could not follow such a sleazy business practice and make yourself available to potential FTC oversight for 20 years, that'd be great. I won't be logging in to toggle any settings, because I'd rather not disqualify myself from the extra fun of being a part of the class!

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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post #570

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that if the moderation becomes public, it becomes a target and not an effective way to measure behavior. People will try to game the ways they interact with moderators. They'll start to argue and lawyer you against yourself -- "you didn't demote this post but you demoted mine". I think any of us who have done user moderation for more than a month has seen this kind of behavior. Transparency is great in public…

Wow, those are great points and I hope it's ok if I plunder them for future discussions. I completely agree about wanting to stay on the human side of formal vs. human.

Feel free to reuse anything here. I feel like that was only bits and pieces of what I'm really thinking, but human behavior is so vast in scope that it defies easy analysis.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

#584
post #510

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi dang, sent you an email about this, but perhaps it would be useful to include a page on HN recording "recent moderator actions". This could make the process more transparent for users and help them understand your actions (rather than producing conspiracy theories every week).

The question is whether that would raise more objections and protests than it would answer. Almost everything we do is defensible to the community, because if it weren't, we wouldn't do it in the first place. I say 'almost' because we make wrong guesses, but then we're happy to admit mistakes and fix them. That doesn't mean it's all self-explanatory, though. On the contrary, it can take a long time to explain because…

IMO, this and the child comments are some of the best articulated descriptions of the balance a moderator must make in today's online community. especially the part about fear's impact on your decision making. Thanks for you transparency and moderation efforts. Keep up the good work.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

#585
post #570

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, those are great points and I hope it's ok if I plunder them for future discussions. I completely agree about wanting to stay on the human side of formal vs. human.

Feel free to reuse anything here. I feel like that was only bits and pieces of what I'm really thinking, but human behavior is so vast in scope that it defies easy analysis.

If you ever write more of what you're thinking on this topic, please let me know at hn@ycombinator.com. I'd like to read it. Users often point things out that we haven't thought of, but this was a particularly memorable case to me.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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post #554

If you, like most people in this thread, find this incredibly unethical and/or potentially damaging to your relationship with your current employer and as a result you are trying to delete your account, do one thing first: Obfuscate your information before you hit the delete button! Change your name, change your address, change the email to a throwaway, etc. Yes, they -might- delete your information when you ask, but…

and what does stop them from using backups with unchanged data anyways? At least for internal/statistical purposes.

Nothing if they take the trouble to make it work. This is just stocastic damage control, reducing somewhat the likelyhood of your real info being used, and there are many reasons why it probably works.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

#587
post #73

This is horrible, what a breach of trust. I used TB to stealthily interview for jobs, had a good experience. Recommended them to others. Now I see that if I hadn't seen this post, I wouldn't have known about this and those details would have been public, which had the potential to seriously undermine me at my current position. I'll opt out tomorrow, but according to others it sounds like the visibility link was somew…

Your Triplebyte profile will NOT contain any data/details about you or your job search that will undermine you at your current employer. We should have included a screenshot and more details in the email. I'll talk to my team about following up with more details tomorrow. We are talking about a lightweight profile, like your Stack Overflow or HN profile, to provide us the canvas to release badges. That's it.

You have become a class 'A' manipulator. I thought I could see through people's crap. But you take the cake.

Thankfully I felt "odd" when I signed up for your "interview" test and never fully finished it.

Also, you single handedly brought me out of hiatus from commenting on HN.

What you have done with this decision is a friggin stab in the gut. If you think your foolish "it's only X we are making public! Not Y!" means something other than "oops, we got caught, how do we cover this up?!" then you are deluding yourself.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

#588
post #10

Hey everyone. Happy to answer any questions about this. Basically, we think that LinkedIn profiles don't do a good job of showing engineering skill (especially for self-taught people or people from non-traditional backgrounds). I'm excited to just build better support for showing side projects and GitHub contributions. LinkedIn profiles have become the default engineering resume (despite the fact that most engineers…

No one asked you to broadcast our progress on your platform or participation in it. I made sure to not only make my account not look it's mine, I used every control to lower its impact on my footprint and pushed my peers to.

From today onward Triplebyte has established its place in the lexicon as a ghetto self-serving linkedin wannabe. Good job.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

#589
post #551

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(posting from a throwaway account, but long time HN user). Well, I was just about to go through your process, since you announced that you are opening to remotes (I'm in the EU), but now I've requested that you delete my profile. No way I want my current employer to know I'm looking, especially in the current climate where job hunting is difficult. As other people have mentioned, you now have a deeper problem than en…

How did you request your profile to be deleted?

In the meantime, I updated my profile data to express that I feel Ammon betrayed us. I'm not trusting them to delete my information cleanly, so it's one step closer to change it beforehand.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

#590

Hard to find the opt-out button. You have to sign in, go to your "profile builder" [0], and then click the very low contrast "Visibility settings" button just below the top of your profile. [0]: https://triplebyte.com/candidates/profile_builder

Easier to find the "delete account" link... https://triplebyte.com/privacy-center

Thanks, I could not find this link when I logged into the app. I would have assumed this option would be under the profile page.
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