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Post by moltar »

rthomas6 wrote: post #118
shoulderfake wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like what ? when subject is drugs tell me

How weed is harmless and has no risks, and is actually helpful and could cure all sorts of ailments in people. Or how taking psychedelic drugs and using sensory deprivation tanks is great and you should totally try it out, no risks there.

I don’t think JR had ever claimed anything as absolutely harmless.

But he did compare harm rates, for example of alcohol, which is perfectly legal and is sold in abundance EVEN during this health crisis and weed.

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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Post by rurban »

Traster wrote: post #29

I think that one thing this analysis is missing is why F1 drivers go to Ferrari. F1 drivers don't drive for Ferrari because they pay the best. They drive for Ferrari because of the dream. On Youtube Joe Rogan is just some guy. Spotify is offering Joe Rogan more than that. Personally, I think the real point in this analysis is that 90% of people just aren't going to sollow him to spotify. Which is fine for spotify, th…

Ferrari definitely pays the best.

The other advantage of Ferrari for race drivers was that their testing, they had the Maranelo testing track right next to the lab.

But this now forbidden, it was an "unfair" advantage. So I see no other reason why anyone wants to work for the crazy Italians with their unusual language. If they would not pay more. I don't see the Ferrari dream being much better than the Mercedes or McLaren dream. Lots of marketing money, but as race driver above 18 you mostly go for the engineering culture.

And exactly this engineering culture got lost with Google and Apple lately. That's why people want to leave.

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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Post by dkn775 »

ccmcarey wrote: post #18

> As I said in my last post, were he to build the level of advertising and subscription revenue I think he is capable of, his corporation would easily be valued at over $1,000,000,000... That's a big _if_, and so far as I can see, there's not much in the way of justification for that in the article.

Not to mention if the podcast got so full of advertisements and money grabs like that many people, including me, would stop listening. I’ve seen so many podcasts start out good then get more and more into advertising obligations, which often comes with things such as increasing the volume/interruption characteristics of said ads.

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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Post by krainboltgreene »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #67
krustyburger wrote: post #17

I have no idea if it’s true, but I’ve heard that a major factor was recent pushback he was getting from YouTube with respect to contrarian coverage of the pandemic. Apparently he wanted to have guests who would provide alternative public health narratives and was told that this was a no-go on YouTube. Much of his audience consumes the show as video on YouTube and Spotify is another major brand that will offer a simil…

Tim Pool (news commentator and multi-Rogan guest) called Rogan and apparently this is misinfo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izHSJ3OFJ2E They start out by talking about some of the issues you mentioned. They break mid-way, and apparently Tim got off the phone with Rogan and cleared up that censorship was not the primary motivator. The cut to after the Rogan call is 15:27.

Anything Tim Pool says should be treated with a ten foot poll.

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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Post by Consultant32452 »

krainboltgreene wrote: post #124
Consultant32452 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tim Pool (news commentator and multi-Rogan guest) called Rogan and apparently this is misinfo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izHSJ3OFJ2E They start out by talking about some of the issues you mentioned. They break mid-way, and apparently Tim got off the phone with Rogan and cleared up that censorship was not the primary motivator. The cut to after the Rogan call is 15:27.

Anything Tim Pool says should be treated with a ten foot poll.

Regardless of what you think about Tim Pool, the speculation that censorship was a primary motivator of this move came from Alex Jones. So...

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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Post by tzekid »

krainboltgreene wrote: post #124
Consultant32452 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tim Pool (news commentator and multi-Rogan guest) called Rogan and apparently this is misinfo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izHSJ3OFJ2E They start out by talking about some of the issues you mentioned. They break mid-way, and apparently Tim got off the phone with Rogan and cleared up that censorship was not the primary motivator. The cut to after the Rogan call is 15:27.

Anything Tim Pool says should be treated with a ten foot poll.

Care to explain why? I'm curious.

In my experience he's as unbiased as a journalist can be regarding American happenings.

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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Post by Non24Throw »

abendy wrote: post #27
originalvichy wrote: post #21

Just a quick sidenote: Joe’s friends have said that people who are throwing around numbers about how much he got from Spotify are estimating way lower than it really is. The $100M is the most common number being thrown around. I can’t tell how much the writer knows Joe’s content, but he would probably have never went with a subscription model. The free access has always been one of the #1 things he attributes to his…

I saw the same video [0]. It would seem unlikely that Joe wouldn't have the proper business and legal advice to make a deal like this and not come out it "ripped off". He's a successful stand up, been in sitcoms and general show-biz for decades. [0] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sq9r87jnRo

Unrelated but I really struggle with this kind of double and triple negative wording.

It WOULD seem UNLIKELY that he WOULD NOT have the proper advice to make a deal like this AND NOT be ripped off.

“He probably has good advisors that made sure he wasn’t being ripped off.”

It honestly took me 5 minutes to figure out what you were saying. I feel like I uniquely struggle with this, like I have some kind of undiscovered form of dyslexia. Maybe it’s just late.

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Post by perditus »

Non24Throw wrote: post #127
abendy wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw the same video [0]. It would seem unlikely that Joe wouldn't have the proper business and legal advice to make a deal like this and not come out it "ripped off". He's a successful stand up, been in sitcoms and general show-biz for decades. [0] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sq9r87jnRo

Unrelated but I really struggle with this kind of double and triple negative wording. It WOULD seem UNLIKELY that he WOULD NOT have the proper advice to make a deal like this AND NOT be ripped off. “He probably has good advisors that made sure he wasn’t being ripped off.” It honestly took me 5 minutes to figure out what you were saying. I feel like I uniquely struggle with this, like I have some kind of undiscovered…

It's bad writing but I think it's unusual to have that much trouble parsing it.

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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Post by perditus »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #58
BubRoss wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Joe Rogan typically makes a point to say what he doesn't know and tries to get interesting experts in his show. Have you watched much of his show?

He typically has no idea what they're talking about and thus lobs softball after softball at them, even when he pretends to disagree for devil's advocate sake. Most of his bigger named guests have carved out echo chambers for themselves, and Rogan lends them credibility.

I think that approach is valuable and "softballs" are only bad if you're assuming Rogan is a journalist, which he isn't. He's a comedian, an entertainer, and a conversationalist (and, of course, a martial artist). People tune in to hear him have interesting conversations with interesting (and often wacko) people.

That's his appeal--few people would be interested in hearing him grill his guests. We have CNN for that. Saying he "lobs softball after softball at them" is true but not really a bad thing given that he doesn't claim to do otherwise.

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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Post by me_me_me »

originalvichy wrote: post #21

Just a quick sidenote: Joe’s friends have said that people who are throwing around numbers about how much he got from Spotify are estimating way lower than it really is. The $100M is the most common number being thrown around. I can’t tell how much the writer knows Joe’s content, but he would probably have never went with a subscription model. The free access has always been one of the #1 things he attributes to his…

Yeah, but he also always mentioned how he doesn't want to be controlled and regulated. He rants about youtube (for all right reasons).

And now he is putting himself into a spotify box.

Sure, he can most likely retain all of his freedoms (due to his seer size), but once spotify becomes youtube for podcasts, then he could be partially blamed for supporting the very mechanism he spend most of his podcast life criticizing.

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