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Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by Hello71 »

tjpnz wrote: post #451
Hello71 wrote: post #390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

gaslighting also doesn't mean lying, or cheating, or fraud. it involves some of these things, but that doesn't mean that all hiding and lying is gaslighting. to quote wiktionary: To manipulate someone psychologically such that they question their own memory, perception and sanity, thereby evoking in them low self-esteem and cognitive dissonance. The verb sense derives from the 1938 stage play Gas Light, in which a hu…

>To manipulate someone psychologically such that they question their own memory, perception and sanity, thereby evoking in them low self-esteem and cognitive dissonance. I suspect a lot of people caught up in "shadow bans" already have a tenuous grip on reality in the first place. What a disgusting, mean spirited and wholly pointless thing for them to be engaged in. Why couldn't they just tell said individuals they'v…

while this is arguably true, it has nothing to do with the misappropriation of the original word. something can be terrible and yet not justify using words commonly agreed to mean different things. it reminds me of the recent trend to use "assault" when referring to all types of harassment, regardless of whether physical violence was carried out or even implied. you can argue that shadow banning is bad, but if you go say that it's "literally raping their identity" or something like that then you just sound like an idiot.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by jamaicahest »

prox wrote: post #452
panic wrote: post #269

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Dealing with Google these days seems a lot like dealing with an authoritarian government. To operate safely on Google's platforms, you need a friend who works at Google who can vouch for you as their over-eager police keep trying to put you in jail.

And its one of the reasons people should stop using google products, or it will get worse. I am 99% on DuckDuckGo and other search engines, Firefox (which is great), Lots of mail providers these days which excel on every front, lots devtools that don’t need any Google infrastructure, I really hope one of these days we get a message from Google (btw Google is really the most faceless organization out there, I really n…

I agree, Google is not forcing anyone to use their browser, yet people are complaining that Google is evil and immediately after continue to use their products/services. I don't understand the human psychology behind this..

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by sethish »

fouc wrote: post #493

There is a trend here, Safari 12 killed off extensions. Now Chrome is killing off extensions. And possibly Firefox too?

Unlike Safari and Chrome, Firefox doesn't have a financial incentive to prevent ad-blockers. In fact, they did extra work to their Firefox Preview (mobile) app to integrate an ad blocking plugin as early as possible.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by finnthehuman »

acituan wrote: post #395
TylerE wrote: post #382

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Does he have to be? No. Can others judge him harshly for said decision? Yes.

It’s not the judgment itself, it is by what standard he is judged. Everyone could judge him by their religious, cultural, personal standards. But in a solo dev vs. corporate overreach case judging him by corporatist standards bring a framing that further empowers the overreach. There was a time when hacker culture was associated with rebellious and playful values. Such an irony on Hacker News we are discussing if he…

Don't be confused by the "Hacker" in hacker news. Paul Graham found a cool label to get impressionable youths to want to work for him, nothing more.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by TeMPOraL »

dragonwriter wrote: post #489
TeMPOraL wrote: post #465

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To a first, and second, and third approximation, bureaucracies are distributed computing systems; procedures, laws and bylaws are code, bureaucrats are the computing units. A lot of "fat" in bureaucracy comes with dealing with the fact that the computing units are buggy, unreliable, and sometimes actively malicious.

> To a first, and second, and third approximation, bureaucracies are distributed computing systems; procedures, laws and bylaws are code, bureaucrats are the computing units. Having spent a fair amount of time working in various bureaucracies, and studying law and government administration, that's very much not true. It's very much the idealized view that many people outside of bureaucracies have of them, especially…

You'll see down in the subthread that I essentially agree with what you wrote here. However, I still maintain the analogy to a distributed computing system is good and revealing. It's particularly the observation of the flow of forms and documents in and out of bureaucracy, as well as within it, that makes me think of it.

As explained below, I don't agree that it's a good idea to replace bureaucracy with code. However, I think the lessons our industry has learned in architecting software systems could inform designing efficient data and request flow within a bureaucracy. At the very least, it gives us language to talk about bureaucracies as systems.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by albedoa »

stevenjohns wrote: post #449
albedoa wrote: post #431

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As someone else mentioned, your correction is also incorrect. One can violate trademark unintentionally.

No, my correction is fine. It helps if you read the sentence in its entirety rather than stop reading at the comma... you know... where I specifically go on to say "or" followed with a whole bit on how it can be violated unintentionally and give an example of such. The next sentence also goes on to say that either one of those two needs to take place - again, referencing more than one way a trademark violation could…

Your correction is not fine. English is my first language, and I am telling you that the way you wrote the sentence makes it incorrect. It's probably your grammar more than your misunderstanding of the facts. Another commenter said the same.

The sentence taken as a whole does not make the wrong part right. That you think we must not have noticed the rest of the sentence demonstrates that you don't know why it is wrong. You are choosing to get defensive instead of accepting a correction to your grammar that you acknowledge as being funky.

> Maybe my English wasn't clear.

What is the effective difference between your English being unclear and the correction being written in a way that makes it wrong?

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by albedoa »

stevenjohns wrote: post #432
dragonwriter wrote: post #421

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> Trademark violations require intent to mislead No, they don't, only probability of customer confusion. Criminal counterfeiting charges require intent, IIRC.

If you see the second half of that sentence, with an example of how... > or they could be unintentionally confusing [to the customer]

We see the second half. Your sentence reduces to:

> Trademark violations require intent to mislead, or they do not require intent to mislead.

You are trying to assert that this makes sense and that the second half makes the first half correct. Neither is true.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by metalliqaz »

michaelmrose wrote: post #31
jtbayly wrote: post #17

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lol. If you think uBlock Origin going away will make people switch browsers, I think you've got another think coming. We will soon see... 1. When (not "if") Google kills UBO 2. How Chrome's market share doesn't drop

Google have already given notice that they are killing uBlock Origin. Manifest v3 will eliminate the ability to have your own adblocker. In its place will be the ability for an extensions to provide an interface to a built in functionality that is deliberately gimped. Adblock addons will be drastically limited in functionality, must bundle the block list with the addon, can't update the list outside of updating the a…

As a Firefox user I can only laugh at this.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by dragonwriter »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #496
dragonwriter wrote: post #489

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> To a first, and second, and third approximation, bureaucracies are distributed computing systems; procedures, laws and bylaws are code, bureaucrats are the computing units. Having spent a fair amount of time working in various bureaucracies, and studying law and government administration, that's very much not true. It's very much the idealized view that many people outside of bureaucracies have of them, especially…

You'll see down in the subthread that I essentially agree with what you wrote here. However, I still maintain the analogy to a distributed computing system is good and revealing. It's particularly the observation of the flow of forms and documents in and out of bureaucracy, as well as within it, that makes me think of it. As explained below, I don't agree that it's a good idea to replace bureaucracy with code. Howeve…

> However, I think the lessons our industry has learned in architecting software systems could inform designing efficient data and request flow within a bureaucracy.

This I definitely agree with; it's kind of disappointing the information systems engineering knowledge has tended to become siloed within organizations dedicated to information technology, because you get much bigger gains if you apply that knowledge to broader processes, not just within computing systems supporting the processes. OTOH, with people who have that knowledge generally getting paid more to apply it in IT (and getting listened to more there), it's kind of understandable if unfortunate that the knowledge gets stuck in IT.

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