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Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

#521

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Sera HN: Please don’t downvoted these kinds of replies from relevant people. They are super interesting given the link, so why try and hide them?

A downvote represents my displeasure with the non-apology apology.

Sure, but it also hides a very interesting part of the conversation.

Use your downvotes to hide irrelevant posts, not to display your disagreement. (It won’t really display anything)

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Wow. Thanks for this. I ignored the email because Triplebyte just feels a bit spammy to me now so I mentally block it out. Have logged in to stop this from happening and currently apparently I'm "Open to discussing new opportunities", which is news to me. On trying to change it to "Not interested in any new opportunities" there's a dropdown that says "I’d be open to new opportunities in:" and most you can set it to i…

Thanks. I was looking for the link to delete my account.

So I got an email saying my account was deleted. Tried to login and the login failed. Curious if my information was delete or if they just deactivate the login and my information will still show up.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

#523
post #510

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Hi dang, sent you an email about this, but perhaps it would be useful to include a page on HN recording "recent moderator actions". This could make the process more transparent for users and help them understand your actions (rather than producing conspiracy theories every week).

The question is whether that would raise more objections and protests than it would answer. Almost everything we do is defensible to the community, because if it weren't, we wouldn't do it in the first place. I say 'almost' because we make wrong guesses, but then we're happy to admit mistakes and fix them. That doesn't mean it's all self-explanatory, though. On the contrary, it can take a long time to explain because…

I first want to express my gratitude for your thoughtful reply, and more generally your willingness to consistently engage with the HN community with both reason and compassion. I have no doubt you have the HN community's best interests at heart - there is simply legitimate disagreement about how best to accomplish that. Your cooperative communication style undoubtedly goes a long way in allaying the community's concerns. So, great job on that front.

I agree with you that any community faces the problem of a vocal, critical, and nearly insurgent minority. They seek to identify contradictions in your logic with the predominantly self-interested goal of demonstrating intellectual superiority rather than finding genuine solutions. I can understand the emotional burden of continually sparring with such individuals. You can't please everyone.

In contrast, there is the silent majority. By virtue of their silence, it would appear they condone current management of the site. I am not sure this can be assumed.

First, it is generally the "first movers" of a given activity who are both the first to try it, but also the first to defect. For example, there are people who are passionate about Microsoft or Apple products and review them publicly. When they stop reviewing these products, it is indicative of a lack of passion; they have moved on. The majority soon follows, just like they did when the first movers initially promoted the activity. In this way, the first mover is the proverbial canary in the coal mine. Are HN's vocal critics really first movers? The ones who are thoughtful, at least, are certainly among the most passionate and engaged; losing them would be the canary. (Admittedly, you must be able to discern those who are vocal and thoughtful from those who are vocal and thoughtless, but I am confident you have that capacity.)

Second, there is the issue of the 90-9-1 rule. The vast majority of users of HN never comment nor express their opinion; they simply observe. This will be true whether or not they are satisfied with the service. If they are dissatisfied, they don't comment, they simply leave. On the other hand, composing only 10%, the vocal minority must necessarily be the minority. Can we uniformly dismiss this vocal minority as unrepresentative of the silent majority? No, because there is no other proxy for surveying the majority. (Again, you must discern the productive from the unproductive critics.)

Finally, there is the burden of simply engaging. I am amazed by the amount of time and effort you must invest into moderating HN and in writing your responses (among, I'm sure, numerous other activities such as actually writing code). It appears that recapitulating your justifications over and over again is not particularly efficient.

That, however, does not imply that failing to justify your actions is suddenly an adequate substitute. It simply means that the current method is inefficient.

There are a few conclusions I think we can draw from this. We can't dismiss the vocal minority because it's all we have; rather, we must discern those who are constructive from those who are destructive. Further, like blowing onto a flame to put it out, ignoring or suppressing them will likely instigate even more frenzied conspiracizing. Finally, responding to each of them individually is inefficient and burdensome.

I think a basic ledger of "moderator actions" would solve many of these issues. To start, it would probably not be an exhaustive log, but simply actions performed at the thread-level rather than the comment-level. It is transparent, just like your comments and the HN community guidelines already are. It would broaden understanding of your actions, rather than rely on users to dig through your recent comments (the only ledger thus far, without which they undoubtedly draw their own conclusions). Finally, it would reduce the burden on you.

Would it, however, pacify the vocal minority? Would they conspiracize further? Would they levy more demands to change the site?

Perhaps, perhaps not.

But it seems clear that those who are worth listening to, vocal as they may be, are in fact worth listening to. They are the canaries. And if they increasingly demand more transparency (which you would know, not I), that is likely worth making some steps toward satisfying. If they make more demands, so be it.

Communities change over time, especially as a function of scale, and I think HN is no different. The only thing that generally must be kept constant is prudent stewardship, and I am fairly confident your track record satisfies that. There may be mistakes along the way, but as long as you make a transparent, genuine effort to serve the community (as you clearly have done historically), that will go along way in retaining the trust of the community.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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post #466

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This thread rose to the top group of the front page last night (you can see I posted here then, I happened to see it). Then it sunk quickly and disappeared. I was a little dismayed because the cynic in me was thinking along the lines of it being removed for being antithetical to YC company success. I went to bed. To my surprise, it was back up near the top this morning with almost a thousand votes and hundreds of com…

It fell because of a software penalty called the flamewar detector. We review posts that get that penalty because there are often false positives. I saw it on the list last night and restored it ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23280488 ). That was the only action any moderator took on the post. I'm glad I saw it quickly enough, because there would have been a nightmare of a flamewar about us 'suppressing' the…

Thank you for not incorrectly saying "that begs the question of..."

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

#525

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A lot of people go through YC and while their filter is better than most I assure you this is hardly the most shockingly stupid thing I've seen someone in YC do, ever heard of Meta? That was a dumpster fire from start to finish.

Yeah, but one of the TripleByte founders used to be a YC partner, so it's a little different.

Actually, he’s a current YC partner again: https://blog.ycombinator.com/welcome-aaron-and-harj/

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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post #12

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Really sorry that you think this is awful. Certainly do opt-out. I think that taking on LinkedIn and creating a better engineering resume is a good thing to do. I can assure you that the Friday announcement is a result of our team grinding to hit a planned release week, not anything other than that (I would have loved to get this out earlier in the week)

Crunchbase tells me that you have raised $50m. This means you have someone who runs your communications and you hopefully have some kind of PR or crisis management firm on retainer or at least in your Rolodex. Call them on the phone right now before you make more bad decisions.

Ah the good old physical Rolodex! You can rely on that not to make itself public in 7 days.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

#527
I find it strange that they'd tarnish their reputation to try and compete with LinkedIn, but they seem to be a LinkedIn data partner? (not sure exactly what that entails).

Open your console on their site and paste this in:

window._linkedin_data_partner_id

Is there something else at play here?

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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post #67

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Well, sorry that you feel this way. I don't agree right now (clearly). But I'll certainly take this seriously and think more about it/listen to feedback. We're talking about relatively basic profiles, to give us the canvas to launch public achievement badges (that we hope allow us to better help people who don't have traditional credentials). My view, building this, is that we're not displaying anything more private…

I'm less concerned than everyone else about this, but I do think it's ridiculous that we have one week to opt out and we can't even preview what you're going to make public right now.

Right! How can you share anything about your desire to find a new job without recruiters seeing it? And then, how do you make sure that the platform somehow excludes your current employer's recruiters? As with Ashley Madison, where you might find your spouse looking for you. So the privacy concern is a bit overdone, but nonetheless, the company's behavior is a bit shocking. If the CEO thought the users' profiles were as good as public, why not communicate that well to the users to begin with and later float the idea of making profiles truly public?

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

#530
So... you post a profile on triplebyte hoping to get recruiter interest, and maybe a new job, but prefer that your current employer not find out. How would that work, exactly? After all, your current employer may have recruiters who look at triplebyte and who aren't stupid.

The privacy issue is overdone: your profiles must be as good as public already. That said, the company should have educated its users first, so they understand this.

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