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Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by brankoB »

paulcole wrote: post #179
Awelton wrote: post #38

Maybe someday everyone will realize that google isn't a company that provides services to users, it's a data theft company. They don't really care about bugs or frustrations because they aren't in the business of providing things to you. You are not their customer. The vast majority of people have forgotten that they aren't an email, webapp, cloud storage, or online translation provider. They are an advertising compa…

> They use their products to steal your information. They aren’t stealing from me. I get to watch YouTube videos, store my files in Drive, and use gmail — all things that I like quite a lot. Yes there are alternatives to gmail and Drive, none of which are good enough for the hassle of switching. There is no YouTube alternative.

A lot of people aren't aware of the data collection. In those cases I think calling it stealing is fair.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by Kaze404 »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #64
Kaze404 wrote: post #8

I don't understand how we've normalized Googles behavior to the point where this doesn't even shock me anymore. When I used Google Play Music a couple years ago there was a feature that was broken for YEARS according to the bug reports I could find, and in a classic Google move they shut the service down before ever fixing it. That might sound like a non sequitur but it's ridiculous to me how little Google cares abou…

> These days I try to avoid them wherever possible, not only for a small satisfaction of boycotting the company, but also because if I grow to like one of their products it will just shut down eventually. > What can we do about this? I think you've already got it; don't use Google products. Ideally, pay for alternatives.

I honestly don't think this does anything besides give me a small satisfaction. I can't think of a time when voting with your wallet actually worked.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by brownbat »

Kaze404 wrote: post #8

I don't understand how we've normalized Googles behavior to the point where this doesn't even shock me anymore. When I used Google Play Music a couple years ago there was a feature that was broken for YEARS according to the bug reports I could find, and in a classic Google move they shut the service down before ever fixing it. That might sound like a non sequitur but it's ridiculous to me how little Google cares abou…

> When I used Google Play Music a couple years ago there was a feature that was broken for YEARS

Not sure if this is yours, but mine was that it would often swap out my tracks for radio edits, even though I uploaded the original. I'm an adult, I bought this music, I don't need the kids' version. There's a built in feature you can use, "fix incorrect match," that would fix this only about half the time.

Oh right, it also capped the max size of playlists to 1000 songs for some reason.

Now it sounds like YouTube Music won't even let me listen while switching to another app, like a workout app, and won't let you turn off the screen without the music going out. Hard to believe.

Looking around, I'll be moving to musicolet I guess. Sounds like AIMP and BlackPlayer get good reviews too, but I really love the idea of an app that actually tries to limit the permissions it requests from you.

https://www.androidauthority.com/best-music-players-android-...

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by paulcole »

michaelterryio wrote: post #99
Awelton wrote: post #38

Maybe someday everyone will realize that google isn't a company that provides services to users, it's a data theft company. They don't really care about bugs or frustrations because they aren't in the business of providing things to you. You are not their customer. The vast majority of people have forgotten that they aren't an email, webapp, cloud storage, or online translation provider. They are an advertising compa…

This reminds me of when sports fans say things like, those odds are meaningless, they’re just set by bookies to get action. True from a naively pedantic POV, but also ignores that betting odds happen to end up efficient also. Like saying shopkeeps set prices to drum up business and aren’t subject to the principles of supply and demand. Google is an advertising company, but as part of its strategic goals it develops a…

> I bet you the Gmail team is full of brilliant people who don’t give a shit about advertising

I mean they better give a shit about advertising because it’s what lets them have a job at Google.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by kristofferR »

nyreed wrote: post #24

Do you remember when browser extensions could be installed from a developer's own website and didn't require any kind of dysfunctional 'gatekeeping'? I know there are benefits to having someone vet browser extensions, but it seems a shame that they remove the self-distribution option completely when their moderation is so ineffectual.

Hostile is a better word for their moderation than ineffectual.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by Fnoord »

dannyw wrote: post #159
xg15 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The vast majority of people have forgotten that they aren't an email, webapp, cloud storage, or online translation provider. This is all well and good, but they cornered the market for email, webapp, cloud storage and online translation products (and most importantly smartphones and web browsers). So until there is a viable alternative that the average person knows about , this will not change.

Generally speaking, the cornered the market through building good products that beat the competition. Do you remember free email providers prior to gmail? ISPs who you maintained a paying customer relationship with offered worse quotas and outdated web mails.

Yes, I remember plenty of free providers (as well as quality paid ones, and ISP ones, for example GMX and Ilse), including with IMAP/POP3, TLS/SSL support, anti spam features, anti virus features etc. Gmail was unique in three ways: it had a huge quota (for that time), and it offered a slick web interface. The other way Gmail was unique was the invite. If you gotta get invited to become part of the (secret) club, that makes it more special.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by Aeolun »

omnifischer wrote: post #5

It is disgusting that no one from media asks Sundar Pichai touch questions like: 1. Non human (AI) usage for termination google accounts. 2. No repeal process At least some employee from Google here in hn must do things and understand mentality of other people. It increasingly looks like - well... we employees live in bubble but if you are unlucky then you are screwed. Do not ask us? What kind of programmers wrote su…

The problem is that regardless of the number of programmers that refuse to implement the whole thing, you only need one to ever say yes to get it.

So every bad idea eventually gets implemented.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by vzaliva »

I had a small harmless extension which does not access ANY user information and completely client-side. I received cryptic takedown notice and was not able to convince them it is not in violation of their policies. They never specify what policy exactly you violate, just keep referring to the whole document. Finally I decided it is not worth it and took down my extension.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Post by mariz-io »

I feel you, keep being reject for a simple extension with generic explanation and no guidance on how to fix it(if there is anything to fix). Decided to share on a github repo and let users installed manually following a video tutorial... really bad experience and communication.
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