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Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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That's kinda NSFW.....might be helpful next time if you indicated it as such.

Really?? Feels like I'm living in 17th century New England here.

There are no shortage of workplaces where viewing nudity in your web browser isn’t considered professional. That’s...probably 99% of U.S. companies.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Stop worshiping the ground Google walks on, which seems common on HackerNews.

> Stop worshiping the ground Google walks on, which seems common on HackerNews. I've had the exact opposite observation here. There are few places on the Internet I see Google get more consistently browbeaten and held to account for its mistakes and abuses than on HN. This has been the case for at least the past six or eight years or more. Threads on Google here are very rarely laudatory; they typically make the fron…

> Underdogs, comebacks, goliaths v davids. They won't like you again until after you fall.

Yeah, the fact that once "the davids" of the past became today's goliaths changed their behavior from (at least pretending to) caring about being social net-positive forces to being purely business machines has nothing to do with it.

For instance, Google's code of lost this paragraph two years ago [1]:

> “Don’t be evil.” Googlers generally apply those words to how we serve our users. But “Don’t be evil” is much more than that. Yes, it’s about providing our users unbiased access to information, focusing on their needs and giving them the best products and services that we can. But it’s also about doing the right thing more generally – following the law, acting honorably, and treating co-workers with courtesy and respect.

It may not matter to you but it does for some others. I'm one of them.

[1] https://gizmodo.com/google-removes-nearly-all-mentions-of-do...

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Maybe someday everyone will realize that google isn't a company that provides services to users, it's a data theft company. They don't really care about bugs or frustrations because they aren't in the business of providing things to you. You are not their customer. The vast majority of people have forgotten that they aren't an email, webapp, cloud storage, or online translation provider. They are an advertising compa…

Google is a provider of all those things. Advertising is the biggest revenue line and supports free access (to products that are still best in class) but they also sell paid versions to both consumers and businesses.

Bureaucracy and customer support problems with large companies is not a new or unique to Google.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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I wonder if anyone is keeping track of just how many developers are completely writing off Google just because their support is so terrible, and their policies so absurdly draconian.

People give shit to Jeff Bezos all the time, but compared to Google, there is no comparison to the level of company-wide user hostility and blatant privacy violations with such little public accountability, as that of Google's.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Maybe someday everyone will realize that google isn't a company that provides services to users, it's a data theft company. They don't really care about bugs or frustrations because they aren't in the business of providing things to you. You are not their customer. The vast majority of people have forgotten that they aren't an email, webapp, cloud storage, or online translation provider. They are an advertising compa…

> I'm sure you will get a real human employee if you are interested in buying ads from them.

That’s a fact. Speaking from personal experience, Google Ads/Admob seem to be the only services where human support exists.

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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I feel you... We had similar issues with the Google Play store for the ArtStation App ( https://magazine.artstation.com/2018/12/happened-artstation-... ), it simply got taken down and appealing continually got rejected. It was only after the issue got picked up as the top story on Hacker News and other sites that exposed the dysfunctional nature of their moderation that finally Google subtly changed their policy so t…

Oh I knew Apple applied the prude-policy to their store. I did not realize Google did too. Interesting.

Yet for some reason does not flag the Reddit, Instagram, and Twitch app with similar or worse content. I wonder if their algorithm has special exceptions built in to ignore apps specifically by name or by "downloads > X".

Re: Unable to deal with Chrome Extension Team, Kozmos is shutting down

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Developers evangelized Android and Chrome in their early days - created the monsters. People making Chrome only sites are feeding the monster. Instead of Kozmos shutting down, the best revenge would making a firefox extension and getting their users to switch.

Agreed, why are they shutting down instead of doing that?

I generally try to avoid bitching about Firefox design decisions in Chrome threads, but possibly because of https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1409675 - the original WebExtensions breaking change removed the ability for newtab-style extensions to do a lot of things their XPI counterparts could, in particular focusing on the address bar after opening a new tab. That bug went WONTFIX with no suggestions for an alternative interface, basically telling extension devs to come up with their own proposal for how to implement it if they want that bit of the API back. I'm not familiar enough with the extension in question to say whether any of those specific issues would have affected it (and from the article it sounds like time was a bigger pressure) but developing newtab-style extensions for Firefox is definitely harder than it should be.

While I generally agree with the reasons behind moving away from XPI extensions, it's been really disappointing to see Firefox not be as focused as I'd hoped they'd be on restoring lost extension functionality. That's especially important in the context of Google fuckery like the OP.

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