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MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by pjmlp »

saagarjha wrote: post #843
pjmlp wrote: post #812

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Developers who use macOS as shiny GNU/Linux replacement are only getting what they deserve, they should have supported Linux OEMs to start with. Those that show up at FOSDEM, carrying their beloved macBooks and iPads while pretending to be into FOSS. I use Apple devices knowingly what they are for, not as replacement for something else.

What if using macOS enables me to be a more effective FOSS contributor? What if I think that FOSDEM is actually has many participants who aren't really into free software?

Then they are on the wrong spot to start with, and really didn't got the message what FOSDEM is all about.

It is a bit hard to be an aspiring FOSS contributor given the foundations those contributions are built upon.

Those same Apple loving users would be laugh upon at FOSDEM if they demoed any of their stuff on Windows instead.

Yet, there is hardly any difference between those corporations going all the way back to their origins.

Somehow after NeXTSTEP's adoption as OS X, NeXT and Apple's proprietary behaviour was forgotten and everything excused, because "hey they are shipping an UNIX clone"!

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by varenc »

saagarjha wrote: post #842
varenc wrote: post #830

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I tried just blocking "api.apple-cloudkit.com" with /etc/hosts. This reduces the delay but doesn't eliminate it. A connection attempt is still made every time. (I don't recommend making this change permanent. Just give your terminal app the "Developers Tools" permission instead) After blocking that domain I can see that tccd and syspolicyd are logging some error messages to the console related to the failed connectio…

Enabling private logging is fairly annoying these days, unfortunately. (Interestingly, if macOS thinks you're AppleInternal, it will make it just as annoying to disable private logging…)

wait a sec...I recognize that name. I only know how to enable private logging thanks to your detailed and informative blog post! Seriously, it's one of the favorite macOS things I've read in a while. I loved the step by step walk through using gdb you showed.

Though just today I saw that apparently an enterprise policy config can enable private logging in 10.15.3+ without having to disable SIP. https://georgegarside.com/blog/macos/sierra-console-private/

For reference for others: this is the blog post by OP on enabling private logging in Catalina. check it out! https://saagarjha.com/blog/2019/09/29/making-os-log-public-o...

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by pietrovismara »

amatecha wrote: post #750
pietrovismara wrote: post #726

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If I may ask, why do you still persist with apple products then? Sounds like masochism from here...

I have no intention of buying more at this point. The last was the iPhone 8 in 2017. No clue yet what I'll do in the future for a smartphone, because I don't see Android as an option at all. Hopefully this iPhone 8 lasts forever :)

Personally I find smartphones less and less useful. I use them mostly to stay in touch with people or to read articles online, and I do all my work from a laptop anyway. I used to buy flagship Android phones but I realized that it's wasted money. Now I have a 200€ Samsung phone, it works fine, yesterday it fell and the screen glass broke a bit, I couldn't care less.

If I keep going at this rate, I think I will quit smartphones within a few years.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by jules »

rurban wrote: post #757
usmannk wrote: post #484

It seems like there is a lot of confusion here as to whether this is real or not. I've been able to confirm the behavior in the post by: - Using a new, random executable. Even echo $rand_int will work. Edit: What I mean here is generate your rand int beforehand and statically include it in your script. - Using a fresh filename too. Just throw a rand int at the end there. e.g. /tmp/test4329.sh I MITMd myself while rec…

It's called lockdown for a reason. Apple was just the very first to implement centralized binary blacklisting, revocation. They call it notarization. Problem is, that they did it unannounced. There must be really some weird stuff going on in those managers heads. How can they possibly think to go away with that?

Isn't this what bloom filters are for?

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by austincheney »

delian66 wrote: post #819
austincheney wrote: post #712

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The original quote from Franklin was about liberty not freedom . A suttle but vitally important distinction as freedom requires security where liberty does not. If you sacrifice freedom for security you still at least have security, as in a despotism, but if you sacrifice security for freedom you have neither. Conversely if you sacrifice liberty for security you have less liberty without any increase in security just…

In despotism, you do not have security either - the despot can do whatever he wants to you or to your family.

That is a loss of freedom, not security. Compare that to living entirely on your own in the wilderness where you will enjoy maximal freedom with no security from people or nature or starvation.

That distinction is why, in history, non-civilized people find civilization abhorrent and why other people would choose to live under a despot opposed to living on their own. In the ancient world people were not friendly to the idea of abandoning freedoms for class distinctions but once they had it they were not willing to sacrifice personal security or quality of life increases for risk of death and starvation.

That is why people claim freedom isn’t free, because many people, even now, are frequently ready to abandon freedoms for increased security opposed to the extra effort required to increase both.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by mikeyjk »

deathgrips wrote: post #781
gowld wrote: post #660

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That’s not close to the original quote. And it was just Ben Franklin politicking, not the word of god.

No one cares, it's the concept that matters. This is on the same tier as saying "haha hey buddy looks like you typed 'there' instead of 'their' haha #rekt".

> No one cares, it's the concept that matters. This is on the same tier as saying "haha hey buddy looks like you typed 'there' instead of 'their' haha #rekt".

While the content / concept is the main point, facts matter. Even if it is ancillary to the intended message. Why suffer misinformation no matter how small?

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by john_alan »

nrclark wrote: post #809
saila wrote: post #780

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I've been doing software development on macOS/OS X for quite some time now and the consumerization aspects don't bother me. I install almost everything I need via Homebrew, from software libraries to desktops apps, and the fact that there's an App Store isn't particularly relevant (although I do use it for consumer apps now and then). I'm trying to think of how macOS is so different from 10/20 years ago. What's missi…

Do you write much system-level software? I feel like Apple's changes don't affect the XCode crowd much - but under the hood, things are slowly getting worse for command-line developers. How about when Apple removed /usr/include in its entirety from Mojave? Or when they decided to make the root filesystem read-only? Or when they removed the ability to permanently disable the "only run verified apps" option? Or when th…

Interesting analysis, thanks for sharing.

command line apps installed via home-brew don't have gate-keeper/notarization though.

I don't know why ppl seem to think they do...

What am I missing? I'm on the latest Catalina and, for me, anything installed via home-brew / scripts/c++/python/rust I write and run/compile myself, just run.

I also don't see any time different between my apps on linux and macOS.

I use itemr2, with Fulldisk access and it's specified as a devtool in privacy.

What am I missing that's a big problem here?

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by pg-gadfly »

pjmlp wrote: post #841
pinopinopino wrote: post #832

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Sure, you can buy whatever you want, you aren't living in a dictatorial country. Sadly enough, most people can't say this. Therefore it is important for you to fight decisions like this. If something doesn't exist, it cannot be abused by some regime. I am going to say something very cynical now, if the reader doesn't like that, he should tune out now. But I guess Apple can't wait to have that special China deal. ^_^

Except Apple isn't a dictatorial country, and there are other computer vendors to choose from. Apple isn't Mafia, doing personal visits while giving advices to buy Apple computers otherwise accidents do happen. Buying an Apple computer is a conscious decision. I love how many around here make their decisions, and then feel entitled to complain and point the finger to big corporations, as if these corporations are the…

Buying a house and suddenly getting your water cut off because the county"doesent feel like it" is also similarily a "conscious" decision, and similarily bites you only a time after you bought something.

You might say that's illegal, and I'd recommend thinking about why that has become the way it is. Things are deemed important to everyday life, and suddenly they aren't free game.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by john_alan »

saagarjha wrote: post #836
john_alan wrote: post #817

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Watching the notarization video from WWDC last year they explicitly said it wouldn’t affect command line apps.

I believe that some of the problems here have actually started affecting command line apps in Catalina.

Only if you don't specify your terminal as a dev tool
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