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Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by amelius »

tdeck wrote: post #60

For those curious about the technical details here, here's a dump of the iGrill Android manifest (it's not XML because Android APKs contain a binary manifest): https://pastebin.com/fwbJ9TjD It looks like this is the culprit: E: activity (line=48) A: android:theme(0x01010000)=@0x7f110149 A: android:name(0x01010003)="com.weber.igrill.pages.splash.SplashActivity" (Raw: "com.weber.igrill.pages.splash.SplashActivity") A:…

Does anyone else feel that editing these manifest files is like filling out tax forms?

I personally can't blame them for getting this wrong if the development tools don't provide adequate feedback.

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by ahartmetz »

sergiotapia wrote: post #123
hnick wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there an agreed upon name for this, where a website or app loads elements piecemeal so we click the wrong thing by mistake? I know it exists as an intentional dark pattern (so we just think that's what happened). But it also seems so common now across computing and it pisses me off every time.

Google recently started doing this. I literally never click google ads, and today about four times I've click on ads because the thing I want is result #1 but just as I'm about to click three ads load in and I click the first ad.

Wild guess: it's a bug but it looked good in A/B testing. The change was supposed to increase ad click rates and it did. Job well done, ship it!

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by why_only_15 »

codercotton wrote: post #76
madeofpalk wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the absolute inability to override the order of items in the sharing panel[1] that's funny because on iOS you seemingly can override the order, but the behavior of that between different apps (and/or content types?) is so undeterministic that people just give up.

I swear there's some AI going on here. I've noticed that suggestions in my share panel differ depending on content, location, and other things. Or maybe it's just really undeterministic. :)

There is

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by huffmsa »

sergiotapia wrote: post #123
hnick wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there an agreed upon name for this, where a website or app loads elements piecemeal so we click the wrong thing by mistake? I know it exists as an intentional dark pattern (so we just think that's what happened). But it also seems so common now across computing and it pisses me off every time.

Google recently started doing this. I literally never click google ads, and today about four times I've click on ads because the thing I want is result #1 but just as I'm about to click three ads load in and I click the first ad.

I swear I've had images and videos switch places as I'm clicking on the search results tab.

Or maybe I have 15 years of expectation that images is going to be the second tab.

Edit: nope, just did a search, it started web images videos then right when the page finished loading it switched to web videos images

So only does search not work anymore, it's unnavigable

Edit 2: it's not just video, it rearranges the tabs based on relevance. "John wick" will move videos to the second spot. "San Francisco" will move news second and maps 3rd.

I get it, but I also don't.

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by eitland »

rhizome wrote: post #8

Android is such a drag sometimes. Between mystery quirks like this, where I'm sure someone who has been making Android apps for 6 years will be able to explain it, and things like the absolute inability to override the order of items in the sharing panel[1], such that Android will routinely topline sharing to a contact you got one text message from three years ago. "F.U., that's why" is the simplest conclusion I can…

More examples here:

https://erik.itland.no/andoid-pie-ai-fails-like-most-ai

I have now switched to a iPhone XR, and while it has its own issues it manages to get its suggestions right some times at least (no, I don't need directions home from the store 1000 m away, but at least it isn't completely out of touch like Android.

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by petee »

aib wrote: post #91

Okay, so an IoT BBQ is a useful thing. How are we going to prevent every single useful thing from coming up with its own crappy, poorly-maintained application? Because obviously having open standards is not enough. So far the solution we've come up with seems to be "wait until one or a few companies dominate the market, come up with their own solution, and hope it's an open one and/or others adopt it." This particula…

Is there a meat thermometer open standard?

The only thing you can really do with an app-tied product: complain loud and publicly, and hope the company realized that nobody is buying a locked in product if the app has two stars.

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by WJW »

amelius wrote: post #201
tdeck wrote: post #60

For those curious about the technical details here, here's a dump of the iGrill Android manifest (it's not XML because Android APKs contain a binary manifest): https://pastebin.com/fwbJ9TjD It looks like this is the culprit: E: activity (line=48) A: android:theme(0x01010000)=@0x7f110149 A: android:name(0x01010003)="com.weber.igrill.pages.splash.SplashActivity" (Raw: "com.weber.igrill.pages.splash.SplashActivity") A:…

Does anyone else feel that editing these manifest files is like filling out tax forms? I personally can't blame them for getting this wrong if the development tools don't provide adequate feedback.

It would be nicer if the tooling was better, but at the same time:

1. Everyone else can apparently do it properly. 2. They could have caught this problem in testing.

It's just a case of a non-software company adding on an app as an afterthought.

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by trashburger »

9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #83
rhizome wrote: post #8

Android is such a drag sometimes. Between mystery quirks like this, where I'm sure someone who has been making Android apps for 6 years will be able to explain it, and things like the absolute inability to override the order of items in the sharing panel[1], such that Android will routinely topline sharing to a contact you got one text message from three years ago. "F.U., that's why" is the simplest conclusion I can…

> the absolute inability to override the order of items in the sharing panel As an extra F.U., it also changes the list of contacts after a second. So I try to tap on my wife, only to have it substituted with the plumber who came once half a year ago... and this of course gets logged by the AI, ensuring the plumber continues to hold pride of place in my contacts.

Not sure if the same issue, but Android 9 takes a second to load your contacts from apps. Want to send a link through SMS? Tap Share, and Messaging is at the top row. But if you hesitate for a second, your Whatsapp contacts will load in and suddenly you're sending a link to someone that shouldn't get it.
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