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Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by dirtydroog »

im3w1l wrote: post #181
g_p wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless, this breaches GDPR by making data public and accessible to an unlimited audience by default. I hope (for your sake) that you don't have any users that can invoke their GDPR rights against you by virtue of their citizenship. For the sake of incentivising companies to do the right thing, however, I hope you do have some EU or UK citizen users who do litigate or have their data protection authority investiga…

Triplebyte is only targetting Americans afaik.

I'm a European in Europe and seem to have a triplebyte account

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by errantspark »

remote_phone wrote: post #46
ammon wrote: post #10

Hey everyone. Happy to answer any questions about this. Basically, we think that LinkedIn profiles don't do a good job of showing engineering skill (especially for self-taught people or people from non-traditional backgrounds). I'm excited to just build better support for showing side projects and GitHub contributions. LinkedIn profiles have become the default engineering resume (despite the fact that most engineers…

What a foolish decision to make. Knowing what you know about HN users, did you expect that this would go well? You can pretty much assume that Triplebyte will be persona non grata henceforth, especially as word spreads that you are publicly exposing people and only giving 1 week to opt out. Extremely foolish and really shines a bad light on your decision making capabilities. Why would I put my trust in a company that…

A lot of people go through YC and while their filter is better than most I assure you this is hardly the most shockingly stupid thing I've seen someone in YC do, ever heard of Meta? That was a dumpster fire from start to finish.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by withdavidli »

pmiller2 wrote: post #182
travisjungroth wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If someone goes from not having a profile to having one, you know they’re job hunting. It’s like saying “Your Tinder profile will NOT contain any data/details about you or your dating search that will undermine you in your current relationship.”

That's a false equivalence. You're talking about a business relationship versus an intimate personal relationship context.

The type of relationship is different, but the example still holds. Having a profile at all can and likely will be viewed as an indicator of intention to leave the current relationship for a new relationship. This was how it was viewed having a resume profile on sites like Monster and CareerBuilder before LinkedIn made it the norm to have a public resume.

Time frame is also very important. Example, a user has been with the company for over a decade, but the product has only been around for a few years. Or if one of the "achievements" was a test that was added recently.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by g_p »

im3w1l wrote: post #181
g_p wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless, this breaches GDPR by making data public and accessible to an unlimited audience by default. I hope (for your sake) that you don't have any users that can invoke their GDPR rights against you by virtue of their citizenship. For the sake of incentivising companies to do the right thing, however, I hope you do have some EU or UK citizen users who do litigate or have their data protection authority investiga…

Triplebyte is only targetting Americans afaik.

I'm not an expert in the direct applicability of GDPR, but my understanding is a European, living in Europe at the time this change happens (but who was perhaps doing an online job hunt, considering a move) might still be covered. Admittedly this is an edge case, but it's not one I'd want to risk in the era of extraterritorial enforcement of various privacy laws.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by pmiller2 »

withdavidli wrote: post #193
pmiller2 wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a false equivalence. You're talking about a business relationship versus an intimate personal relationship context.

The type of relationship is different, but the example still holds. Having a profile at all can and likely will be viewed as an indicator of intention to leave the current relationship for a new relationship. This was how it was viewed having a resume profile on sites like Monster and CareerBuilder before LinkedIn made it the norm to have a public resume. Time frame is also very important. Example, a user has been wi…

I have a TripleByte profile. Am I job hunting? This is not a hypothetical. I really do have a profile.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by anemosg »

franciscop wrote: post #106
ammon wrote: post #12

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Really sorry that you think this is awful. Certainly do opt-out. I think that taking on LinkedIn and creating a better engineering resume is a good thing to do. I can assure you that the Friday announcement is a result of our team grinding to hit a planned release week, not anything other than that (I would have loved to get this out earlier in the week)

I think everyone here would agree taking on Linkedin is a very good thing to do, especially Triplebyte who was already in a good position and fairly well considered here. But not this way, not forcing all of your users into a public profile by default and making them provide gvmt ids to delete their accounts. Your users gave you their data for a specific purpose, and you took it and used it totally differently. This…

I am from EU, I live in Switzerland and I can tell it clearly is a GDPR violation. I’ve just sent a reply email and a account deletion request. The govt ID thing is shady, given the fact that they never requested it at sign up and that wouldn’t serve as a proof. I hope they will delete my account by the mentioned 30 days or I will fill a lawsuit. Besides common sense, privacy and trust do not work like that, at least in Switzerland and in EU. As a user, I would have been so happy to be informed about this important step (which is actually exciting) of a company I liked. And I would have been so happy to be actively involved and engaged in this step by being guided into discovering the new features / roadmap and THEN make my own decision about the opt-in. That would have been a huge win-win. I am wondering if it’s a lack of common sense or the pressure or VC funding here. That’s a pity for what I’ve considered a good company, and I hope they will revert this decision.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by scandox »

egberts1 wrote: post #79

Thank God, I used a fake profile. I sailed the interview to 2nd stage but they couldn’t figure out how to interview a deaf SW engineer.

Is that a difficult problem? I'd be interested to hear what they got stuck on. I guess I naively imagine that in a world of text chat and voice to text it would be pretty doable.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by pmiller2 »

travisjungroth wrote: post #190
pmiller2 wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a false equivalence. You're talking about a business relationship versus an intimate personal relationship context.

My point is that just having the profile is data. He can’t predict what impact making this data public will have.

Companies that are worth a shit don't retaliate against people for looking at other opportunities. That's precisely why your Tinder example is not just off base, it's wrong.

Another way to look at it: either you're a replaceable cog, or you're essential to running the business. If you're essential, they're going to do whatever they can to keep you. If you're replaceable, they probably don't care that much whether you in particular stay or go, but it will certainly cost money to replace you, which they'd rather avoid spending.

Only a completely irrational company would cut someone loose just because an online profile with that person's name on it appeared somewhere.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by bigiain »

ammon wrote: post #67
yaacov wrote: post #29

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Thanks for coming to answer questions here even though you’re likely to get dragged through the mud for this decision. FWIW, I agree with other commenters that this is a betrayal of trust but I don’t have anything original to add.

Well, sorry that you feel this way. I don't agree right now (clearly). But I'll certainly take this seriously and think more about it/listen to feedback. We're talking about relatively basic profiles, to give us the canvas to launch public achievement badges (that we hope allow us to better help people who don't have traditional credentials). My view, building this, is that we're not displaying anything more private…

A public stackoverflow/github/angellist profile does not leak information to my employer that I'm seeking new opportunities.

Tripebyte is fundamentally different and dangerous there.

It make no difference whether you're sorry that people feel that way. It's the wrong thing to do - you're going to hurt people doing this.

It make no difference that it's a fantastic opportunity for you and Tripebyte. It's not what you told people when they signed up and entrusted you their names and jobseeking. It's the wrong thing to do - and only lawyers are going to end up benefiting.

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