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Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public
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Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public
#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hey that's neat, I didn't know HN had a flamewar detector. How does it work? Content matching and post frequency?
I know at some point there was a penalty attached to articles that had more comments than upvotes. This struck me as incredibly unnatural, since I frequently comment and very rarely upvote an article. I don't really see what the one metric has to do with the other. But apparently everyone else has a different model of HN in mind.
I think there's a lot of variance in the way people use HN (I don't upvote stories much either, though plenty must, given the vote counts we see), but dang has had plenty of time (i.e., nearly 8 years in the job) to observe what combination of upvotes, comments and other behaviour may indicate a
possible flamewar.
Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public
#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just saw your edit. My emphasis continues to be on unexpected and short notice, with an added obscure (notice that you missed it too) and opt-out . I should not need to be prepared to jump at a moment’s notice any time someone decides they want to “accelerate [their] mission.” (And I am going to opt out—or, more likely, delete my account altogether—but that doesn’t mean I can’t also complain on the Internet.)
And, again, you care enough to complain on the internet about something that may not even be a problem, but not enough to do anything about it for anyone else, or even to find out if there's anything wrong in the first place. And, you would rather complain than simply ask what's going to be displayed. Your virtue signaling earns you no points here, not that I think it matters to you.
There is very obviously something wrong at this point; reading Ammon’s responses to this thread has been enough to tell me that. I’m not sure what you expect me to do for anyone else; I can tell my Congressperson that I advocate for GDPR-like legislation, but since I didn’t accept the job offer I got from Triplebyte it’s not like I can change their site to turn this launch off for everyone else.
(I’m also baffled by your comment about virtue signaling. I’m publicly stating my opinion, yes, and given the number of upvotes I’m getting there seem to be people who agree with me; but my primary goal is not some sort of social signalling, but to respond to you in order to clarify my stance on the situation.)
Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public
#174Usually job listing, SEO, web crawling, VPN and many other very low-barrier-to-entry companies are founded and run by the worst and most contemptible of all people. Dude, it's like a pattern!
Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public
#175This is horrible, what a breach of trust. I used TB to stealthily interview for jobs, had a good experience. Recommended them to others. Now I see that if I hadn't seen this post, I wouldn't have known about this and those details would have been public, which had the potential to seriously undermine me at my current position. I'll opt out tomorrow, but according to others it sounds like the visibility link was somew…
Your Triplebyte profile will NOT contain any data/details about you or your job search that will undermine you at your current employer. We should have included a screenshot and more details in the email. I'll talk to my team about following up with more details tomorrow. We are talking about a lightweight profile, like your Stack Overflow or HN profile, to provide us the canvas to release badges. That's it.
Regardless, this breaches GDPR by making data public and accessible to an unlimited audience by default.
I hope (for your sake) that you don't have any users that can invoke their GDPR rights against you by virtue of their citizenship.
For the sake of incentivising companies to do the right thing, however, I hope you do have some EU or UK citizen users who do litigate or have their data protection authority investigate and formally punish Triplebyte, even if only to establish clear precedent here for the future.
Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public
#176This is horrible, what a breach of trust. I used TB to stealthily interview for jobs, had a good experience. Recommended them to others. Now I see that if I hadn't seen this post, I wouldn't have known about this and those details would have been public, which had the potential to seriously undermine me at my current position. I'll opt out tomorrow, but according to others it sounds like the visibility link was somew…
Your Triplebyte profile will NOT contain any data/details about you or your job search that will undermine you at your current employer. We should have included a screenshot and more details in the email. I'll talk to my team about following up with more details tomorrow. We are talking about a lightweight profile, like your Stack Overflow or HN profile, to provide us the canvas to release badges. That's it.
Still, please don’t do things that need actual consent in IRL (making something that was private, public)
If your new service is of true benefit, it will be used.
Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public
#177If I understand this correctly, if you 1) did a Triplebyte assessment, and 2) didn't do especially well, it would be possible to figure this out from your profile from the lack of badges. This seems like the sort of information that people would want to keep private.
That's one version. Another one could be, you're having a great career at a company, suddenly your profile goes public and shows that you are looking for a job outside the company. Someone in your current company notices and now your career will screech to a halt even though you where never really that serious about it. There are so many bad versions on of how this could unfold...
Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public
#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't get why you'd think it's okay to suddenly make private information about your users public. The lesson is not "We should've included a screenshot" but rather "We shouldn't automatically opt our users in to sharing information they thought was private.". This is a betrayal of user trust. I saw your email in my inbox but didn't read it. I never would've noticed with improved screenshots or not. Do you read ever…
Did you read the fine print when signing up? Maybe this goal has been in their fine print for a long time.
From a GDPR perspective, for anyone who is able to lay claim to GDPR protections, it wouldn't matter whether this is written in red on the first line of the agreement - "data protection by default" means that you must default to not sharing with an unlimited number of people.
What this means in practice is you can't default anything containing personal info to being public by default.
Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public
#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
> How can you work with them to achieve your product goals without undermining your relationship with them? Literally just make it opt-in.
Opt-In doesn't help them achieve their product goals. Triplebyte as founded isn't working so they're trying to take a valuable asset they have (engineers looking for jobs) to compete with linkedin The problem with bootstrapping a linkedin competitor is the same chicken-and-egg problem with networks generally. You need people on it for people to join it. What Triplebyte wants is your identity public. That's the produc…
> How many people who were searching for a job without telling their company are going to opt-in to make that public?
I think that's the real issue: timing. The only time this can work is when someone has just resigned or joined a new company, so they can (and are actually willing to) "legitimately" pump up the volume about themselves.
So make it an easy opt-in triggered by these events. Any triplebyte candidate that "closes the deal" should get opted-in automatically. Anybody without an ongoing work relationship, should get opted-in automatically. Everyone else, you hold fire until something significant happens publicly, at which point you gently prod them. You can even ask, when someone signals they are looking for a job, "do you want your profile public at this time? It's a pretty cool thing! If not, no biggie, we'll ask again once things change."
It's not rocket science to do this respectfully and it's sad that they didn't.