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Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Okay, so, you're concerned about a potential privacy violation, but won't take steps to find out if there is one to begin with? I don't have a lot of sympathy for that position. Go and fill your TripleByte profile with misinformation if it suits you, I suppose. Edit: I missed that there's a privacy setting to make the profiles non-searchable. So, I guess you care enough to complain on the internet, but not enough to…

Just saw your edit. My emphasis continues to be on unexpected and short notice, with an added obscure (notice that you missed it too) and opt-out . I should not need to be prepared to jump at a moment’s notice any time someone decides they want to “accelerate [their] mission.” (And I am going to opt out—or, more likely, delete my account altogether—but that doesn’t mean I can’t also complain on the Internet.)

And, again, you care enough to complain on the internet about something that may not even be a problem, but not enough to do anything about it for anyone else, or even to find out if there's anything wrong in the first place. And, you would rather complain than simply ask what's going to be displayed. Your virtue signaling earns you no points here, not that I think it matters to you.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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It set off the flamewar detector. We review submissions that are affected by that software, and turn it off for threads that aren't flamewars. I've done so for this one. Other than that, moderators didn't touch this post or (as far as I know) even see it.

Hey that's neat, I didn't know HN had a flamewar detector. How does it work? Content matching and post frequency?

I know at some point there was a penalty attached to articles that had more comments than upvotes.

This struck me as incredibly unnatural, since I frequently comment and very rarely upvote an article. I don't really see what the one metric has to do with the other.

But apparently everyone else has a different model of HN in mind.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Thanks for coming to answer questions here even though you’re likely to get dragged through the mud for this decision. FWIW, I agree with other commenters that this is a betrayal of trust but I don’t have anything original to add.

Well, sorry that you feel this way. I don't agree right now (clearly). But I'll certainly take this seriously and think more about it/listen to feedback. We're talking about relatively basic profiles, to give us the canvas to launch public achievement badges (that we hope allow us to better help people who don't have traditional credentials). My view, building this, is that we're not displaying anything more private…

The difference between what you are doing here and the other public profiles you mention is consent.

When a user creates a profile on Stack Overflow or Hacker News, they are consenting to share whatever data they give on that particular platform.

When a user created a profile on Triplebyte, up until now, they were consenting to that data being used in a private profile for the purpose of connecting them with job opportunities, privately. Now, you've emailed all of your users on a Friday evening to say "by the way, if you don't opt-out in the next week, we will take this data that you gave to us under the assumption that it would be private, and make it public (and potentially searchable)."

By saying "we'll do it unless you say no", you are not getting consent.

If you're familiar with the tea analogy of consent, a la https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQbei5JGiT8, this would be like you saying "well, other users (not necessarily every user, or you, the user in question right now) have had tea (not necessarily the same type of tea) from other platforms. This is just like that. So, if you don't say no to our tea in the next week, we're going to drop the tea on you. We hope you enjoy!"

You are not just "launching public profiles for a product that has not had them in the past", you are launching public profiles and on them you are _sharing data that was given to you under the agreement that it was private_. You are using data that folks gave you in a very, very different way than for the purpose they gave it.

Finally, just to really drive this home, you say "What we've focused on to keep that from harming anyone is what data we include in the profiles."

And, what data is that? What personal data, given under the agreement that it would stay private, won't harm someone if made public?

Full (presumably legal, or at least professional) name, coupled with profile picture (presumably a clear photo of their face) and, I'm guessing, also the locations they said they were looking for a job in? Although, fine, in most cases sharing that data is mainly annoying and trust-breaching, that combination of information can be devastating if leaked. Consider a person who has escaped an abusive ex-partner, and has managed to keep private about what new city they've moved to, now popping up in a Google search for their name that has their picture and the fact that they're looking for a job in Los Angeles. This person probably isn't your core user-base, but stories like this are real, they happen, and if you get enough users, they will be among your real life user stories. You have to consider user stories like this when you are trusted with personal information.

This ain't it.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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This is horrible, what a breach of trust. I used TB to stealthily interview for jobs, had a good experience. Recommended them to others. Now I see that if I hadn't seen this post, I wouldn't have known about this and those details would have been public, which had the potential to seriously undermine me at my current position. I'll opt out tomorrow, but according to others it sounds like the visibility link was somew…

Your Triplebyte profile will NOT contain any data/details about you or your job search that will undermine you at your current employer. We should have included a screenshot and more details in the email. I'll talk to my team about following up with more details tomorrow. We are talking about a lightweight profile, like your Stack Overflow or HN profile, to provide us the canvas to release badges. That's it.

The message you should have received is that this should be opt-in, not opt-out. You're abusing your users' privacy. Screenshots don't change that.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your Triplebyte profile will NOT contain any data/details about you or your job search that will undermine you at your current employer. We should have included a screenshot and more details in the email. I'll talk to my team about following up with more details tomorrow. We are talking about a lightweight profile, like your Stack Overflow or HN profile, to provide us the canvas to release badges. That's it.

I don't get why you'd think it's okay to suddenly make private information about your users public. The lesson is not "We should've included a screenshot" but rather "We shouldn't automatically opt our users in to sharing information they thought was private.". This is a betrayal of user trust. I saw your email in my inbox but didn't read it. I never would've noticed with improved screenshots or not. Do you read ever…

Did you read the fine print when signing up? Maybe this goal has been in their fine print for a long time.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Really sorry that you think this is awful. Certainly do opt-out. I think that taking on LinkedIn and creating a better engineering resume is a good thing to do. I can assure you that the Friday announcement is a result of our team grinding to hit a planned release week, not anything other than that (I would have loved to get this out earlier in the week)

Why is a government ID required for account deletion process - you never asked for it during the registration process?

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Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Hey everyone. Happy to answer any questions about this. Basically, we think that LinkedIn profiles don't do a good job of showing engineering skill (especially for self-taught people or people from non-traditional backgrounds). I'm excited to just build better support for showing side projects and GitHub contributions. LinkedIn profiles have become the default engineering resume (despite the fact that most engineers…

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Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Hard to find the opt-out button. You have to sign in, go to your "profile builder" [0], and then click the very low contrast "Visibility settings" button just below the top of your profile. [0]: https://triplebyte.com/candidates/profile_builder

Wow, it's like it's following every dark pattern in the book. Wouldn't have found it out myself.

It's a master class in dark patterns. I guess they figure this will be good in the long run, but I'll never trust anything from Triplebyte or Ammon Bartram after this.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for coming to answer questions here even though you’re likely to get dragged through the mud for this decision. FWIW, I agree with other commenters that this is a betrayal of trust but I don’t have anything original to add.

Well, sorry that you feel this way. I don't agree right now (clearly). But I'll certainly take this seriously and think more about it/listen to feedback. We're talking about relatively basic profiles, to give us the canvas to launch public achievement badges (that we hope allow us to better help people who don't have traditional credentials). My view, building this, is that we're not displaying anything more private…

You're exposing job searches publicly that were supposed to be private. You advertise this privacy when users create new accounts, so you can't play dumb and pretend that somehow over years of running a company like Triplebyte it never occurred to you that folks don't want their search made public.
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