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MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by deathgrips »

gowld wrote: post #660
userbinator wrote: post #643

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another way to look at it is that Apple is making it harder to run the system in an insecure fashion. You may not agree with that decision, but I certainly appreciate how Apple is looking out for the safety and security of the user. "Those who give up freedom for security deserve neither." (Yes, I know the original intent was slightly different, but that old saying has gotten a lot more vivid recently, as companies a…

That’s not close to the original quote. And it was just Ben Franklin politicking, not the word of god.

No one cares, it's the concept that matters. This is on the same tier as saying "haha hey buddy looks like you typed 'there' instead of 'their' haha #rekt".

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by astronautjones »

blackrock wrote: post #225

One frustrating experience on the Mac is keyboard shortcuts. Yes, they have polished the GUI, which makes it easy to navigate by mouse. But, when you need to work in speed mode, then you reach for the keyboard shortcuts. The problem, is that there are plenty, too much sometimes, and they are often inconsistent between applications. And yes, the Mac has a keyboard shortcut assignment tool, but it often doesn’t work co…

this has always been the case. the underlined shortcuts in menus are a godsend in non-osx OSes. I am still astonished at the hostility of macos when it comes to Yes/No dialogs - you usually can't hit Y or N! This changed at some point after snow leopard. If I could run HDCP on my old macbook, I'd still be using snow leopard. aesthetically, they have made no innovations of use since then.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by gautamcgoel »

This why having a vibrant open-source ecosystem is so important. Firstly, the needs of users is the main priority (as opposed to profit or liability minimization or advertising...), and secondly, users have so many options to pick from. For example, if you don't like systemd, you are free to pick an OS without it.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by m463 »

rurban wrote: post #757
usmannk wrote: post #484

It seems like there is a lot of confusion here as to whether this is real or not. I've been able to confirm the behavior in the post by: - Using a new, random executable. Even echo $rand_int will work. Edit: What I mean here is generate your rand int beforehand and statically include it in your script. - Using a fresh filename too. Just throw a rand int at the end there. e.g. /tmp/test4329.sh I MITMd myself while rec…

It's called lockdown for a reason. Apple was just the very first to implement centralized binary blacklisting, revocation. They call it notarization. Problem is, that they did it unannounced. There must be really some weird stuff going on in those managers heads. How can they possibly think to go away with that?

Once you start something, it's hard to stop it.

Every software place I've worked gives a special urgency to security stuff.

And even if features don't come out regularly, security updates do. This is more of that.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by ridiculous_fish »

saagarjha wrote: post #773
ridiculous_fish wrote: post #759

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The kernel sources are available. https://opensource.apple.com/source/xnu/xnu-6153.81.5/

…with everything to do with the sandbox left out.

Fair point. These tarballs may be, err, editorialized.

If exec is blocking in the kernel on IPC to some daemon, that should be observable (e.g. Instruments with kernel traces enabled).

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by KevinSjoberg »

Thought I was going insane seeing delays myself on a daily basis since Catalina. Turns out I'm not insane but a victim of Apple's continuous neglect of Mac OS.

How can something as damning as this ever reach end consumers without getting detected?

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by m463 »

zanethomas wrote: post #679
throwaway851 wrote: post #590

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another way to look at it is that Apple is making it harder to run the system in an insecure fashion. You may not agree with that decision, but I certainly appreciate how Apple is looking out for the safety and security of the user. Tangent: as much as some developers hate that the only way to distribute apps for the iPhone is through the App Store, as a user I consider that walled garden of apps to be a real securit…

Another way to look at it is that Apple is moving towards a future where all software for the mac must be purchased from the app store. Bubye Apple, my next machine will likely be a Dell Ubuntu.

Ubuntu phones home a lot too.

motd-news, apport, snaps, whoopsie, kerneloops, ubuntu-report, unattended-upgrades, ...

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by dagmx »

rurban wrote: post #757
usmannk wrote: post #484

It seems like there is a lot of confusion here as to whether this is real or not. I've been able to confirm the behavior in the post by: - Using a new, random executable. Even echo $rand_int will work. Edit: What I mean here is generate your rand int beforehand and statically include it in your script. - Using a fresh filename too. Just throw a rand int at the end there. e.g. /tmp/test4329.sh I MITMd myself while rec…

It's called lockdown for a reason. Apple was just the very first to implement centralized binary blacklisting, revocation. They call it notarization. Problem is, that they did it unannounced. There must be really some weird stuff going on in those managers heads. How can they possibly think to go away with that?

There were announcements about notarization around WWDC last year. They didn't seem to get a lot of media traction however, but there were specific pages detailing what's required from a developer and some basic details on how it would work

From April 10, 2019: https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=04102019a

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/xcode/notarizing_m...

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