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MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by fphhotchips »

mindfulhack wrote: post #677

I still love macOS, a lot. Since moving over after the disaster that was Windows 8 (and by then I was already using MacBook hardware), I've become a loving power user e.g. with AppleScript and setting up hotkeys or other ways to do absolutely anything I want on the screen. It really is still as powerfully customisable as Linux. Turn off SIP if need be. My only problem in moving to Linux software is that I prefer Appl…

I have a 2019 Macbook Pro 16in and I hate it. It runs exceptionally hot (leading to massive performance problems), doesn't get enough power from the adapter to start with no battery, doesn't play nicely with my display, needs restarting every couple of days so Chrome doesn't crash and takes forever to boot.

That's just the technical problems. I'm willing to give the UI a break, since it's probably as much me adjusting as it being bad.

This is my first Apple anything, and if this is what "just works" looks like, I don't want it. I could be more productive on an Android tablet at this point.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by zmmmmm »

cpncrunch wrote: post #18
skykooler wrote: post #13

If it checks with Apple servers every time you execute a new binary, what happens if you don't have an Internet connection? Are you just unable to run new code?

The article says "One way to solve the delays is to disable your internet connection" so I assume it just doesn't bother with notarization when you do that.

Which makes a mockery of the whole security angle - how can this be utterly essential for security while connected and then just tossed aside as optional as soon as you exit Wifi range? It can't be both.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by kick »

catalogia wrote: post #511
kick wrote: post #358

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Debian is not just as quick (significantly slower and higher resource usage), but Arch isn't all that fast nowadays, either.

> Debian is not just as quick (significantly slower and higher resource usage) In which respects? Are you talking about apt vs pacman or something? Default DEs?

Default install; a default Debian install has about 3x running.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by ibeckermayer »

throwaway851 wrote: post #590
VonGuard wrote: post #553

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Ah, Apple. When you can no longer innovate, just start removing features and call it simplicity...

Another way to look at it is that Apple is making it harder to run the system in an insecure fashion. You may not agree with that decision, but I certainly appreciate how Apple is looking out for the safety and security of the user. Tangent: as much as some developers hate that the only way to distribute apps for the iPhone is through the App Store, as a user I consider that walled garden of apps to be a real securit…

Why can’t they have their walled garden App Store and also allow me to install other app stores?

It’s an authoritarian usurpation of the spirit of property rights. I should be able to decide for myself what software to run on my hardware, Apple HQ’s opinion should be irrelevant.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by jasonlotito »

cmdshiftf4 wrote: post #673
saagarjha wrote: post #648

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That's just the one jailbreak that ended up in the news. There's been many other of bad things that have been pulled.

>been many other of bad things that have been pulled A jailbreak app making it to the app store being bad, and "apple's walled gardens are bad", are fundamentally incompatible.

Jailbreak apps are bad for Apple. Walled gardens are bad for users. It's not complicated.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by colejohnson66 »

ibeckermayer wrote: post #694
throwaway851 wrote: post #590

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another way to look at it is that Apple is making it harder to run the system in an insecure fashion. You may not agree with that decision, but I certainly appreciate how Apple is looking out for the safety and security of the user. Tangent: as much as some developers hate that the only way to distribute apps for the iPhone is through the App Store, as a user I consider that walled garden of apps to be a real securit…

Why can’t they have their walled garden App Store and also allow me to install other app stores? It’s an authoritarian usurpation of the spirit of property rights. I should be able to decide for myself what software to run on my hardware, Apple HQ’s opinion should be irrelevant.

On macOS, they do. On a phone, if you want to side load, there’s the option of Android.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by jrochkind1 »

Do you think developers make up a significant portion of Mac buyers? I think it's possible, but I'm not sure.

I am pretty sure the laptop market has been shrinking generally (as more people have a phone but no laptop). And most developers I know have macs. They probably don't want to make the OS significantly worse for developers...

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by the_af »

bgorman wrote: post #640
the_af wrote: post #594

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Fair enough. I'm not a Mac OS X user so I don't know how it would compare. I can only compare it with my past experience with Windows, and I think it's superior (for me) to Windows circa 7 -- I stopped using Windows entirely at that point, so I wouldn't know how later versions of Windows fare. Portability is also a fair issue to raise, but it's simply not a problem for me. When I say Linux "on the desktop", I literal…

Without HiDPI support lots of applications become useless when you use a HiDPI display. Even Steam does not respect HiDPI settings in Gnome 3 even when setting custom environment variables.

It's probably a case of "I don't miss what I don't use" then. I'm a power user, I cut my teeth with MS-DOS and I've been using Linux for work and gaming for more than a decade (and less intensive usage before that) and I really never noticed anything about HiDPI. That has to mean something :)

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by drvdevd »

xvector wrote: post #650
brendangregg wrote: post #613

Adding network calls to syscalls like exec() is utterly insane. This road can lead to bricked laptops where you can't run anything to fix it (imagine an unexpected network error that the code doesn't handle properly). And crackers will just use ways to overwrite running instruction text to avoid the exec(). The comments on the article are annoying: it good that there's a mini way to reproduce, but please, use some fu…

There is no excuse for this except for sheer, utter incompetence. Everyone involved in writing and shipping this should be ashamed of themselves.

This is what I scrolled all the way down this thread for - to see if anyone thinks this is a good design/security decision on Apples part. I’m trying to understand what the reasoning is for this particular decision and if it actually makes the OS more secure in any meaningful way? Or does it actually- just degrade performance with very limited benefits? Are there any real benefits to this VS current security design in popular Desktop Linux distros at this point?
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