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MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by lone_haxx0r »

kick wrote: post #38
Nextgrid wrote: post #29

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> I am so glad I decided years ago to leave closed operating systems behind. The problem is, there's nothing else out there. Everything is going to shit in one way or another. Windows is now a disaster, Linux was always a disaster in terms of user experience and isn't improving. Mac OS was the last bastion of somewhat good, thoughtful design, user experience and attention to detail and now they've gone to shit too.

Linux was always a disaster in terms of user experience and isn't improving. Curious: what have you tried? People who use "Linux" as a catch-all in terms of UX usually have only tried a single distribution with a single desktop environment.

I use Linux everyday, and it's a UX disaster. I have tried Gnome, Xfce, Cinnamon, KDE, I like none of them. The only DE that I somewhat liked (Unity) was discontinued.

Linux sucks, but I use it becuase it sucks less than windows, for programming at least.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by cerberusss »

saagarjha wrote: post #431
crazygringo wrote: post #417

I'm so confused about the comments here. There are a bunch of people who can't reproduce the slowness at all, but nearly all downvoted or you have to wade through 100's of comments to get to them. The majority of comments are just dumping on Macs, nothing whatsoever to do with the content of the article, and seem to be blindly assuming it's true. And I can't seem to find any substantive discussion of whether this is…

> There are a bunch of people who can't reproduce the slowness at all, but nearly all downvoted or you have to wade through 100's of comments to get to them. It's possible that they have certain security features disabled. > The majority of comments are just dumping on Macs, nothing whatsoever to do with the content of the article, and seem to be blindly assuming it's true. Welcome to Hacker News…this is common on an…

I've noticed the negativity on macOS. There may be reasons for it, I don't know. I'm pretty happy with it and I've started skipping some discussions because of the amount of comments that lack any curiosity, or worthy discussion.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by cerberusss »

julianeon wrote: post #380
halotrope wrote: post #97

I am using Ubuntu 20.04 on a Thinkpad X1 Extreme Gen2 and you would be surprised how "normal" it feels as a development machine. Sure there some little annoyances, the touchpad behaves a little worse than on windows, sound is a little worse. But the most important things, Keyboard and Screen are excellent. The system in general does not feel like the horror stories that people keep telling about linux on desktop(note…

Longtime Linux user (Manjaro) and I never thought I'd see the day when I could pitch it as noticeably superior to MacOS, considering Apple's once-legendary attention to user interfaces. It seems like those days are behind us, now. Linux as an actually better experience, without gigantic embarrassing flubs like this, is looking better by the day.

A slowdown when you run an app for the first time, for security reasons -- I wouldn't categorize that as a "gigantic embarrassing flub". I haven't noticed it, actually. But I don't run new apps every day.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by konart »

konart wrote: post #244
jfkebwjsbx wrote: post #221

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> iOS + macOS is still much better than anything on the market (no alternatives really). The Windows + Linux combo is way better for all productivity, gaming and development than the mess macOS has become since Jobs passed away.

I'm too much into gaming this days, PS4 is enough for me. As for the rest I've commented about win10 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23274273 and Linux distros: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23274492 I still find macOS to have best balance of productivity, development and feel. Windows is still terrible and linux is just for work.

>this

these

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by soraminazuki »

hunterloftis wrote: post #368
adamtulinius wrote: post #349

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What should the default nix store path have been then?

In my very limited (I don't use nix) opinion, the default of /nix isn't an issue, but rather: > and it's not possible to migrate without causing major disruptions for existing NixOS and other Linux users. Software that can't be re-parented without breaking is destined to create problems for users... eventually.

Unfortunately, what you're asking for is fundamentally impossible with binary package managers.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by saagarjha »

AlexandrB wrote: post #373
coldpie wrote: post #52

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I think the fact is there simply isn't a solution that works for both the "layperson" and highly technical people who want to do development. Laypeople cannot be trusted to admin their machines, but experts need access to those bits. Leaving a backdoor to real admin access for the experts just means laypeople will abuse those backdoors and mess up their machines again, with dire consequences for the entire planet. Yo…

> Laypeople cannot be trusted to admin their machines Yeah, but they're the ones who paid for their machines. So... you're saying they're not allowed to use them how they wish? > Leaving a backdoor to real admin access for the experts just means laypeople will abuse those backdoors and mess up their machines again Remembering the last 20 years of computer history, most of the critical fail wasn't caused by "laypeople…

Someone being tricked into installing malware doesn't usually make the news.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by defnotashton2 »

tsukurimashou wrote: post #201
kick wrote: post #38

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Linux was always a disaster in terms of user experience and isn't improving. Curious: what have you tried? People who use "Linux" as a catch-all in terms of UX usually have only tried a single distribution with a single desktop environment.

I feel like people still have in mind what Linux desktop was 15 / 20 years ago. It improved a lot in the past years, battery life improved on laptops, Ubuntu that was already very stable and feature complete also got a lot of things with previous releases and I've personally been running Arch on my main computers now for 5+ years and haven't got any major issues while upgrading.

Try using the latest version of software that has a more frequent release cycle than arch. If you have an incompatibility there goes your install.

Have yet to see a distro do multi monitor hi dipi that results in readable fonts out of the box..

This gets updated yearly - https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.t...

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by kar1181 »

karatestomp wrote: post #120
tragomaskhalos wrote: post #60

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That computers are just slower to interact with now is such a truism that we hardly remark upon it any more. It seems utterly insane that in the early 90's I could just run Windows 3.1 on a bit of kit that in all likelihood wouldn't even power a toaster today, and the experience was, well, frictionless. I don't recall ever thinking "wtf is this thing doing ?", whereas today, by contrast, if I have the audacity to be…

I remember being able to watch network traffic and if you (or some other actual person on you network) weren't doing anything nothing would be there . Yes even if you had a few webpages open but weren't clicking anything. Now your machine's "idle" and you capture on your network interface and it scrolls at hyperspeed.

I've been doing some network programming lately, specifically low level raw socket work. Sitting there with wireshark running the sheer volume of traffic with applications dialing home was kind of shocking.

I mean, I know it's happening, I (sadly) expect it to happen now. But seeing all the bits whizzing over the wire brought home just how much your machine is reporting about what you're up to.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by fastball »

etoulas wrote: post #488
saagarjha wrote: post #452

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Happy MacPorts user of just over a year as well, for a variety of reasons I won't get into here but that being one of them.

Very satisfied MacPorts user since 16 years. I really don’t get why brew is a thing...

Because 10 years ago when I first started installing software from the command line on my mac, a large number of the packages I wanted to install were very outdated on MacPorts, and {CURRENT_VERSION} on homebrew.

Also `brew cask` is nice.

EDIT: also that Macbook had a 128GB HDD, so space was kinda precious, and MacPorts installing its own version of libs that were already on the system was literally taking up GBs of space.

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