The SD card issue might be confusing, but it would be even more confusing if it installed apps on the SD card by default. Switching SD cards and having apps die and/or disappear would he quite confusing. I don't know if there is a feasible way to unify removable and non-removable storage. It kind of explains why the iOS devices don't have removable storage.
Things that Irritate me About Android OS - 4 weeks in
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Re: Things that Irritate me About Android OS - 4 weeks in
#12The SD card issue might be confusing, but it would be even more confusing if it installed apps on the SD card by default. Switching SD cards and having apps die and/or disappear would he quite confusing. I don't know if there is a feasible way to unify removable and non-removable storage. It kind of explains why the iOS devices don't have removable storage.
Good point. I hadn't considered that. For my use though, I'm not convinced that having removable storage is all that useful.
Re: Things that Irritate me About Android OS - 4 weeks in
#13> 1. Phone storage vs. SD card storage. Why? Because power users like to be able to move their data around as they wish. For the typical "mother," they aren't filling up the 8GB internal that's included. The 16GB SD card (or larger) is just gravy. > 2. The epic list of applications (ELOP) Not sure what you mean... all apps are installed and available in the app locker? In the market place app list, they are organized…
On point 5: > If one of the top apps in your app store is a “app killer” application, then I think you have a problem. (Quote from OP) Yes, there is a problem. However in this case it is one of communication and understanding, as there is absolutely no need for a task killer on Android at all. I uninstalled the task killer I was using and haven't looked back, it's never a problem at all. For those who don't know Andr…
Thanks for the clarification. As I commented on the post, years of "training" has taught me (us?) to manage memory manually. The question is, how does Google/Android go about retraining users, or does it not matter?
Re: Things that Irritate me About Android OS - 4 weeks in
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
The 8GB in his example is internal memory, used only by the phone to store the Android system image and application packages. All user data, including videos, are stored on the SD card, external memory. The vast majority of users will never install enough applications to fill internal memory, hence the OP's point is relatively moot. I assume the author probably bought a dirt cheap Android device that doesn't actually…
Thanks for clarifying for me! Correct. All of the more recent "power" Android phones even tend to have 8GB internal. I wonder what phone OP was using... I just checked my Droid X: 1 GB (of 16 GB) used on SD card, 2 GB (of 8G B) used on the internal.
OP here. I got the Optimus V - dirt cheap and only has 256 mb of internal memory. So, obviously this isn't representative of "modern" phones, but I'm not convinced that better hardware is a good solution to a potential design flaw.
Case in point, this phone recently went on sale at Best Buy and Target and has been sold out in every store in my city. There's a lot of new Android users that will be dealing with this problem.
Re: Things that Irritate me About Android OS - 4 weeks in
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
> For the typical "mother," they aren't filling up the 8GB internal that's included. My mother (why the quotation marks?) loves recording videos and wouldn't dream of removing them from her phone/SD, even if she imported them to her computer. Filling 8GB is very doable. She'd be thoroughly confused once she did so. Giving power users the option of moving things around is OK, but the phone shouldn't report that it's o…
That's why recording video, camera pictures, browser downloads, app cache is being stored on the SD card. Most apps, however, get installed on the internal storage of the phone, which is usually around 1 to 1.5 GB. Sadly, most app developers tend to ignore the SD storage option, and store all their maps, levels, save games etc on the internal phone storage. Whether this is an OS or App design fault is debatable.
"most app developers tend to ignore the SD storage option, and store all their maps, levels, save games etc on the internal phone storage. "
Is there a compelling reason why Google allows developers to make this choice?
Re: Things that Irritate me About Android OS - 4 weeks in
#16The OP raises some valid points (agree with them or not). > 1. Phone storage vs. SD card storage As much as people much like expandable storage it is, by definition, more complicated. There are currently two simple models: 1. All internal (the Apple model); and 2. All external (the digital camera model, even though some do have up to 1-2GB of internal storage). Having a mix is like having two hard drives. You're sudd…
just a nit to pick:
> Android has 4 buttons
Android does not define the number of buttons. My Android phone has three buttons. The Motorola Xoom tablet running Honeycomb (Android 3.0) has 0 of those buttons. It has only power and volume, I believe.
Re: Things that Irritate me About Android OS - 4 weeks in
#17The OP raises some valid points (agree with them or not). > 1. Phone storage vs. SD card storage As much as people much like expandable storage it is, by definition, more complicated. There are currently two simple models: 1. All internal (the Apple model); and 2. All external (the digital camera model, even though some do have up to 1-2GB of internal storage). Having a mix is like having two hard drives. You're sudd…
just a nit to pick: > Android has 4 buttons Android does not define the number of buttons. My Android phone has three buttons. The Motorola Xoom tablet running Honeycomb (Android 3.0) has 0 of those buttons. It has only power and volume, I believe.
And how is that not a worse problem?
Re: Things that Irritate me About Android OS - 4 weeks in
#18I say something similar every time someone reviews Ubuntu, but if these are the "problems" (on a $100 dollar no-contract phone!) then Ubuntu/Android has arrived.
I think about half of the issues are valid problems, and some are fixed in later devices e.g.
* Google's moving away from mountable USB storage to MTP system, the Nexus S has no removable storage,
* the newer Android versions have a recently installed tab in the ELOP though Google would probably prefer you to use search
* moving things to the home pages is much smoother in Honeycomb
* menu actions are more obvious in Honeycomb
but some are just stuff you have to, and will, get used to like not closing apps.
Coincidentally I just blanked an old iPhone for my son to use and the number one annoyance for me was installing an app and being dumped out of the app store each time rather than them installing in the background in parallel. I can see how this might help people who have never installed an app before, but it was certainly an "annoyance" for me as I tried to fill the phone with apps. In general after a few days I found the Android experience better, but certainly at first coming from an iPhone it was like using a mouse with my left hand.
Re: Things that Irritate me About Android OS - 4 weeks in
#19> 1. Phone storage vs. SD card storage. Why? Because power users like to be able to move their data around as they wish. For the typical "mother," they aren't filling up the 8GB internal that's included. The 16GB SD card (or larger) is just gravy. > 2. The epic list of applications (ELOP) Not sure what you mean... all apps are installed and available in the app locker? In the market place app list, they are organized…
Okay, this is just nonsense. I'm a power user, more or less, and I have an HTC Incredible that I've been using for a few months. Here's my take:
1: When I plug in my phone to my computer, I have to mount two separate drives and then hunt for the file I'm looking for.
Where's my music? Is it in "My Documents" or "MP3" on the phone storage? How about "data" or "documents" or "My Music" on the card?
The whole thing is a huge mess. Every app has its own little scheme for storing data.
2: Okay, so I hit "install" and now it's installing. I do something else for a minute, and now I want to put it on a page and launch it. Where is it? The app list. Where in the app list? I dunno. What's its name? Is it the same as the one in the market? Not always. Google Reader is "Google Reader" in the market and just "Reader" in the list.
3: No, he doesn't like having to hunt for something, then manually place it before being able to use it easily. Why isn't the option to place an app on a pane given at install?
4: Do you use Android at all? There's no adherence to an interface standard.
5: You're right on this one. Multitasking works great without me having to bother it at all.
Re: Things that Irritate me About Android OS - 4 weeks in
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thanks for clarifying for me! Correct. All of the more recent "power" Android phones even tend to have 8GB internal. I wonder what phone OP was using... I just checked my Droid X: 1 GB (of 16 GB) used on SD card, 2 GB (of 8G B) used on the internal.
OP here. I got the Optimus V - dirt cheap and only has 256 mb of internal memory. So, obviously this isn't representative of "modern" phones, but I'm not convinced that better hardware is a good solution to a potential design flaw. Case in point, this phone recently went on sale at Best Buy and Target and has been sold out in every store in my city. There's a lot of new Android users that will be dealing with this pr…
Wow. I didn't know they made any with that little internal memory.
Get the app "app2sd," get a 32gb SD card for ~$30, roll around in the money you saved from not getting a 32GB iPhone. ;p
But seriously, that is a flaw to license the OS out to manufacturers without making them abide to some level of minimum spec.