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MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by konart »

jfkebwjsbx wrote: post #267
konart wrote: post #235

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I've seen both of them, but the "get out of your way" UI is a limited feature. Apps are still do not respect the rest of it. You install this new distro (like Elementary if it's still alive) and fall in love with the new Finder clone. But then you install twitter client, torrent client and a dozen of other everyday apps. And they all look terrible. And feel even worse. People still don't care. As much as I hate certa…

> twitter client, torrent client and a dozen of other everyday apps I don't install any of that in work machines, and I'd hope most devs don't either, specially if the company owns the device. If you really need those, why cannot you use the browser? > continuity and handoff Why do you need that for development? Even if your workflow requires it for some strange reason, why don't you use an alternative? There are ple…

I think you are missing a point here.

tl;dr: I don't have and don't want to have two PCs for two use cases.

I have my personal macbook that I use for work (development) and everything else. I use it when I have to be at the office or when I want to work outside of my apartment. Needless to say I want my personal computer to have applications that I use. For both - work and ... not work.

>> continuity and handoff

>Why do you need that for development?

I don't. I don't use a computer only for development (see above). But even during development something it can come in handy. For example when you are working on a service that has sms auth. Can I just put in 6 digits by hand? Sure. But having them being copied from you phone for you is very convenient.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by [deleted] »

WrtCdEvrydy wrote: post #95
tragomaskhalos wrote: post #60

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That computers are just slower to interact with now is such a truism that we hardly remark upon it any more. It seems utterly insane that in the early 90's I could just run Windows 3.1 on a bit of kit that in all likelihood wouldn't even power a toaster today, and the experience was, well, frictionless. I don't recall ever thinking "wtf is this thing doing ?", whereas today, by contrast, if I have the audacity to be…

I call this 'Outsourcing the cost of development to the user'... Getting knowledgeable people costs money so we build more abstractions that lower the cost of development and pass the costs of development from the company to the user in the form of requiring more hardware to do the same thing. How come I need 16Gb of RAM these days when 8Gb did it yesterday? How come my phone needs 4Gb of RAM while my 2012 tablet had…

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Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by yyyk »

ehutch79 wrote: post #53
Nextgrid wrote: post #19

I've been forced to update to this pile of shit because latest iOS requires latest Xcode which in turn requires Catalina. It's a nightmare. First off the new apps (music, podcasts, etc) are terrible. They killed off iTunes but replaced it with much worse. These apps don't behave like standard macOS apps, the UI is full of inconsistencies and is just so empty. This website has nice examples of the failures of modern M…

Have you actually done anything to try and fix these issues? Because this is not typical I use 1password and it doesn't take 5 seconds to open. Did I accidently install linux or something? because since it's the OS causing your delay it would be causing me to have the same delay. xcode installs just fine for my entire team. Just did the update myself, worked just fine. I plug into a dock and undock constantly during…

OP is a typical Apple "You're holding it wrong" reaction. It's never Apple's fault when its OS doesn't work right - it's always the user's fault. Despite the user paying a premium for Apple, or Apple having control over hardware its OS works with.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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kristopolous wrote: post #213
halotrope wrote: post #97

I am using Ubuntu 20.04 on a Thinkpad X1 Extreme Gen2 and you would be surprised how "normal" it feels as a development machine. Sure there some little annoyances, the touchpad behaves a little worse than on windows, sound is a little worse. But the most important things, Keyboard and Screen are excellent. The system in general does not feel like the horror stories that people keep telling about linux on desktop(note…

I've been seeing the trajectory of Windows (pre-2012 or so) -> Mac (2012 - ~2019 or so) -> Linux (~2018 - now) play out with quite a few people without any issues. And I don't mean developers. They're all pretty educated people but it's taken me by surprise. They come to me in frustration over Mac, they don't want to return to Windows and they really, really, really want linux. I've been using linux since about 1997…

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Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by noisem4ker »

rhizome wrote: post #206
nemosaltat wrote: post #159

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I recently learned that `xattr -cr path/to/my.app` solves the “this App is damaged would you like to move it to the trash” you get when you copy an app from one Mac to another.

That might be the Windows-iest feature of OSX I've ever heard of.

What would that mean?

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by markosaric »

BruceEel wrote: post #85
swebs wrote: post #51

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Linux has been a delight to use for me. Things were rough 10-15 years ago, but it's pretty amazing now.

Any distro in particular you'd recommend?

Fedora 32 Workstation is pretty good if you want to see the best of what Linux can offer. It may not be the lightest and fastest distribution but it is easy to install and everything works. You'll get to experience Gnome which is the most original Linux desktop environment and the best one in terms of user experience in my opinion.

If you want something more traditional with the start menu or dock or desktop icons, perhaps something like KDE Neon is better place to start. It might feel more familiar. Will be lighter/faster too.

Put each of them on a USB and run them live on your machine for few minutes each and see which one makes more sense to you.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by soraminazuki »

mjhoy wrote: post #302
soraminazuki wrote: post #278

Up until the release of Catalina, I've always upgraded to the latest version of macOS within a month or two. But some of the changes this time is really stopping me from upgrading. As of Catalina, there's no sane way to install the Nix package manager without losing functionality because macOS now disallows creating new files in the root directory[1]. Nix stores its packages in the /nix directory and it's not possibl…

It's funny, I just had to do this a few days ago. This comment has worked for me on two machines: https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/2925#issuecomment-539570...

There's just so many problems with that approach:

1. You have to create a separate volume just to install a package manager, which is a poor user experience

2. A separate volume means FileVault won't work out of the box

3. The volume can be mounted only after GUI apps are brought up

4. Restoring after sleep might fail because of 3

All of these are mentioned in the Github issue, but it might be hard to find because it requires so many clicks and scrolling to view the whole thread.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by Sangeppato »

halotrope wrote: post #304
Sangeppato wrote: post #229

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The dual GPU is a pain in the butt since Nvidia still doesn't support Optimus on Linux (and probably never will).

That is not true anymore. With 20.04 it supports hybrid graphics just fine. The only issue I had was sharing cuda and OpenGL context since GL ran on the Intel card. This should not be a concern for most people I assume.

Can you run everything on the iGPU and only activate the Nvidia GPU to do the render offloading on single apps? If you can, I should try 20.04 on a laptop

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by DanCarvajal »

skohan wrote: post #307
soraminazuki wrote: post #278

Up until the release of Catalina, I've always upgraded to the latest version of macOS within a month or two. But some of the changes this time is really stopping me from upgrading. As of Catalina, there's no sane way to install the Nix package manager without losing functionality because macOS now disallows creating new files in the root directory[1]. Nix stores its packages in the /nix directory and it's not possibl…

For me it's aperture. I like the interface better than lightroom, and I don't want to pay a monthly fee to have access to my photo library which I only add to once in a while. It's a shame because it's a great piece of software, and even the UI doesn't feel dated, but I just won't be able to run it if I upgrade.

Might want to look at Capture1 at this point.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by rhizome »

tragomaskhalos wrote: post #60
kar1181 wrote: post #27

I completely understand why things are going the way they are as our computing environment has become ever more hostile. But I am very nostalgic for the time where I would power up a Vic-20 and within seconds be able to get to work. Teaching my daughter to program on a modern computer, we spend more time bootstrapping and in process, than we do in actual development.

That computers are just slower to interact with now is such a truism that we hardly remark upon it any more. It seems utterly insane that in the early 90's I could just run Windows 3.1 on a bit of kit that in all likelihood wouldn't even power a toaster today, and the experience was, well, frictionless. I don't recall ever thinking "wtf is this thing doing ?", whereas today, by contrast, if I have the audacity to be…

And now that "the web is the internet" even more than ever, developers and designers are giving us spinners/loading indicators ALL THE TIME. At least in my tabs they are.

The web is much, much, much slower than it used to be.

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