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MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by kebman »

zozbot234 wrote: post #167
kebman wrote: post #158

OSX used to be the OS that started really quick, and ran really smoothly. Certainly far better than Windows. Also search was lightning fast. It was a selling point on its own. But recently it has slowed to a crawl. And I have to ask, what business is it to Apple whether I store a script somewhere? I don't even want them to have a checksum. And I don't want to go through the bother of having to change settings for it…

> OSX used to be the OS that started really quick, and ran really smoothly. It was quite slow compared to OS 9, but even most Linux installs have way better performance on equivalent hardware. Windows really is dog slow by comparison.

This is true, but then Linux has a whole host of other issues that makes it nigh unusable for Muggles and non professionals. Thus, if they're not an avid gamer, I'd usually recommend OS X, until about 2016. Then I stopped doing that.

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Post by mosburger »

halotrope wrote: post #97

I am using Ubuntu 20.04 on a Thinkpad X1 Extreme Gen2 and you would be surprised how "normal" it feels as a development machine. Sure there some little annoyances, the touchpad behaves a little worse than on windows, sound is a little worse. But the most important things, Keyboard and Screen are excellent. The system in general does not feel like the horror stories that people keep telling about linux on desktop(note…

I would definitely consider moving to Linux for my next laptop - unfortunately I do a decent amount of iOS development, which I realize isn't impossible to do on Linux, but I can't imagine it'd be worth the hassle. :/

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by inimino »

beders wrote: post #17

You should know by now: Apple is the Father, Apple is the Mother. After Apple has re-invented or re-written the MSFT playbook of the 90s, nothing surprises me anymore. Yet I cling to these machines, that take away the freedom to do with my hardware as I please. It's odd.

The UX is good. Freedom has always been a little more subtle.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by false_kermit »

Sangeppato wrote: post #238
chipotle_coyote wrote: post #211

Okay, I've tried this test on my MacBook Air 2020 several times, first by saving the "echo Hello" shell script in an editor and then, because I wasn't getting the results the author experienced, trying again exactly as he wrote it. Essentially the same result: airyote% echo $'#!/bin/sh\necho Hello' > /tmp/test.sh airyote% chmod a+x /tmp/test.sh airyote% time /tmp/test.sh && time /tmp/test.sh Hello /tmp/test.sh 0.00s…

I don't experience a delay in Terminal.app either, but I've tried running the script with a fresh install of iTerm2 while capturing with Wireshark and it does look like the script triggers a connection to an Apple server

I just ran the same script on iTerm2 and had no delay.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

Throwaeay2928 wrote: post #181
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #72

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Still doesn't give you a programming environment, unless you want to do bash.

Yes it does. When you pacstrap you include base devel. From that moment onwards your you will have a full programming environment all ready to rock and roll on your installation.

Yes, and you have a full operating system and all the joys of modern development. You absolutely do not have anything like a VIC-20 that you can power on end have a basic programming environment 5 seconds later. At best, you turn it on and 5 seconds later have a python shell, where you can do a certain amount of development before you get to experience the joys of managing libraries and dependencies. Thus bringing us back to what I perceived as the primary complaint that there's way too much setup and baggage required just to get to the actual programming part.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by kstenerud »

halotrope wrote: post #97

I am using Ubuntu 20.04 on a Thinkpad X1 Extreme Gen2 and you would be surprised how "normal" it feels as a development machine. Sure there some little annoyances, the touchpad behaves a little worse than on windows, sound is a little worse. But the most important things, Keyboard and Screen are excellent. The system in general does not feel like the horror stories that people keep telling about linux on desktop(note…

Yup. Ubuntu 20 is the first desktop linux OS that just worked. Every other Linux desktop before it has had suspend/resume issues, wifi issues, sound issues, 3d issues, ratchet settings (things that can be set but never unset without some arcane magic), weird desktop behaviors, buggy software that crashes all the time, etc etc. Yes, I've tried ALL of them, including pop os and deepin.

This year marks the first year that I can just use linux without having to debug it.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by Sangeppato »

oefrha wrote: post #98
mbreese wrote: post #23

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There are two new Security/Privacy Settings that I just noticed last night. "Full Disk Access" to allow a program to access any place on your computer without a warning. A few programs requested this, so it looks like it's been around for a while. The other one is "Developer Tools" and it looks pretty new. The only application requesting it is "Terminal". This "allows app to run software locally that do not meet the…

I don't see it on macOS 10.15.4 (19E287). The full list of categories on my Privacy tab: - Location Services - Contacts - Calendars - Reminders - Photos - Camera - Microphone - Speech Recognition - Accessibility - Input Monitoring - Full Disk Access - Files and Folders - Screen Recording - Automation - Advertising - Analytics & Improvements Granted I don't typically use Terminal.app (iTerm 2 user), so I launched term…

Maybe you need Xcode, try running "mkdir /Applications/Xcode.app"

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by aclsid »

karatestomp wrote: post #148
WrtCdEvrydy wrote: post #95

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I call this 'Outsourcing the cost of development to the user'... Getting knowledgeable people costs money so we build more abstractions that lower the cost of development and pass the costs of development from the company to the user in the form of requiring more hardware to do the same thing. How come I need 16Gb of RAM these days when 8Gb did it yesterday? How come my phone needs 4Gb of RAM while my 2012 tablet had…

My 256MB RAM, 900Mhz Duron machine (single core, naturally) in ~2002 (IIRC?) could do just about everything my modern one can. We even had video chat! It was just much lower res. The limiting factor in online stuff was, by far, connection speed, not the power of my hardware. That was about the point where the hardware was fast enough and had enough memory that I could multitask in a modern way without hitting problem…

I agree with the main sentiment, but I have made my peace with it. Mainly Java and Electron based apps because they do provide us with a nice thing that was impossible years before unless you wanted to become a digital hermit: Linux on the desktop.

I can now use simplenote, discord, slack, the jetbrains dev suite, visual studio code, and this is without including separate developments like Steam, which has made it effortless to switch between Windows, Linux and Mac.

That being said, I still consider Mac OS the superior OS (this call home issue from the article aside), mostly because the font rendering still works better after all these years, Windows and Mac still have better quality software available for them, and Mac still does not have the forced updates as Windows does. Also I have noticed that in Ubuntu, some electron apps like Simplenote, the copy and paste of text is funky at times, like not even letting me select stuff.

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