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MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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If that’s what you really want, grab a used ThinkPad and put Arch Linux on it. It will boot in a few seconds and is much more powerful than a Vic-20.

Still doesn't give you a programming environment, unless you want to do bash.

Yes it does. When you pacstrap you include base devel. From that moment onwards your you will have a full programming environment all ready to rock and roll on your installation.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

#182
post #42

It looks like my time with MacOS is rapidly coming to an end. Any Linux distro recommendations these days?

I would recommend: Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Elementary OS, Pop_OS!

if you want: nice experience out of the box

I would recommend: Arch, Gentoo, Debian Net inst, Void

if you want a base system and install things you want on top of it

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

#183

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> Yup. You've just described a disaster. Hardly. The existence of a distro I don't like doesn't degrade my experience using a distro I do like. You may as well be upset at an ice cream shop for having dozens of flavors when you only like strawberry. Choose the one you like and ignore the ones you don't. It's not rocket science, even children can figure that out.

> The existence of a distro I don't like doesn't degrade my experience using a distro I do like. The problem under discussion here is not that of using a distro you like, but finding a distro that you like.

If an icecream shop only has one flavor, I might get lucky and discover it's the flavor I like. But more likely, I'll just be screwed and have to settle for something I don't like. Only an icecream shop with variety can hope to give the most amount of people an optimal experience.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

#185

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Still doesn't give you a programming environment, unless you want to do bash.

Doesn't arch come with python & gcc out of the box?

No, although `pacman -Syu python base-devel` isn't exactly a burden. But then what? If you're trying to get back to a simple "turn on computer, land in simple programming environment", how does it help that you have python and gcc available? You still have to manage libraries, learn to use a compiler, and all the other joys of modern development. The only thing Arch Linux gained you was a bit simpler OS and maybe better boot times.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

#186
post #31

The weird thing is the price of windows laptops have skyrocketed with the shortages. New MBPs are cheaper than X1 Carbons and XPSs with 10gen chips.

New MBP with a 10th gen chip is a $600 upgrade over the base model with an 8th gen chip.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

#187
Sorry but it's just not happening for me, on macOS 10.15.3, on my late 2016 MBP. (And I've certainly never done anything like disable SIP.)

I run the commands and get:

  Hello
  /tmp/test.sh  0.00s user 0.00s system 8% cpu 0.045 total
  Hello
  /tmp/test.sh  0.00s user 0.00s system 75% cpu 0.005 total
If I'm reading this correctly, the first run takes less than a twentieth of a second, and the second a two-hundredth? I've never experienced anything like "have the entire machine freeze for 1-2 seconds every 10th minute". And I have the slowest internet package I can buy.

The only delay that's ever noticeable is when running a program I've installed for the first time, which yes usually seems to take a few seconds, before often telling me the application couldn't be verified or something, do I want to run it anyways. Which makes sense if you're running a checksum on a 400 MB application binary. But after that first time, starting an app is always instant.

Can anyone else elucidate what the author is talking about? They're presenting it as a universal, but maybe there's something else going on with their machine? Clearly something's wrong on their end, but possibly it's just some kind of bug. I'd avoid jumping to conclusions that executables taking a second to launch is "by design".

EDIT: switching from zsh to sh gives more granular results:

  Hello
  
  real 0m0.009s
  user 0m0.002s
  sys 0m0.003s
  Hello
  
  real 0m0.005s
  user 0m0.001s
  sys 0m0.003s

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

#188

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How does that even make sense? It’s an OS, go grab a Desktop Environment and download nvim, VSCode or whatever.

How does that even make sense? Because that was the experience on those old machines. Switch it on, straight to BASIC prompt in a second or so. If you want to program it’s frictionless. And you can’t break it because BASIC is in ROM.

Flexibility vs complexity is a slippery slope.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

#189
In many unrelated ways, Mac OS X has just always been slow.

The first computers I ran OS X on were a Pismo Powerbook and one of the first iMacs. Both with upgraded hard drives and maxed out RAM. They were almost unusable, and we'd put classic OS back on them, a new release of OS X would come out, and repeat.

I later got a chance to use a shiny new G5. I couldn't believe how slow it felt. Same goes for the PowerBook G4. The first Intel MacBook Pro didn't feel any faster.

Somewhere around the i5, Mac OS started to feel 'okay'. But I'd always still feel blown away at how fast a similar machine felt running Windows or Linux.

But I've stuck with it ever since 2010. I remember talking about my 16", saying "It's really fast...for a Mac."

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

#190
post #131

I've been using linux distros (~5 years of Ubuntu and ~3 years of Arch) before switching to macOS somewhere around 2013-2014. And now years later I'm thinking about moving back. But every time I'm think about this I start with digging about current Linux situation and every time I realise than it is still a horrible system for anything outside of work, especially if you can't really do without a decent UI\UX. Apple's…

PC + WSL + somewhat illicit OS X VM has been a dream for me as a former Mac user.

My mother asked me to help her out with her win 10 installation on her work notebook. This was terrible.

UI is still inconsistent between apps, sometimes it feels like you are using 3 different OS from 3 different time periods. But you can get used to that I guess.

OS settings are still a strange place created to make an average user (or someone who haven't been using the OS for more than a decade) feel as an idiot.

No, amount the Big Three - Windows is the last place I'd look moving too. At least Linux gives me freedom at the expense of UI\UX. Windows give me... well games. I can't thing of any other reason to install linux except competitive gaming.

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