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MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by inimino »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #102
inimino wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For reasons of personal prejudice, I'll never install any Windows version on any hardware I own. Debian was always my first choice back in the desktop linux days, and still is for servers, but I haven't looked at the landscape recently. It seems to have become more consolidated, which is not surprising but still mildly disappointing. Edit: and WSL is not Linux

> WSL is not Linux It is Linux as of WSL2, it's just also Windows, so you lose many of the advantages that would make a person recommend Linux in this thread.

TIL. But yes, for me, not having Windows installed is the primary advantage of any non-Windows OS.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by scottlamb »

davidvartan wrote: post #5

> a degraded user experience, as the first time a user runs a new executable, Apple delays execution while waiting for a reply from their server. The way to avoid this behavior is to staple the notarization ticket to your bundle (or dmg/pkg), i.e. "/usr/bin/stapler staple ." Otherwise, Gatekeeper will fetch the ticket and staple it for the user on the first run. (I'm the author of xcnotary [1], a tool to make notariz…

> The way to avoid this behavior is to staple the notarization ticket to your bundle (or dmg/pkg)

Maybe in some cases, but the article says "even if you write a one line shell script and run it in a terminal, you will get a delay!"

Shell scripts don't come in bundles. I don't think this kind of stapling is possible for them? I don't think it'd be reasonable to expect users to do this anyway.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by godzillabrennus »

leephillips wrote: post #12

This is completely insane. I am so glad I decided years ago to leave closed operating systems behind. This design seems to cement the trend at Apple to position their products as consumer appliances, not platforms useful for development.

Buy a Mac and put ElementaryOS on it to avoid the slowdown and have a slick experience.

https://elementary.io/

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by npongratz »

tragomaskhalos wrote: post #60
kar1181 wrote: post #27

I completely understand why things are going the way they are as our computing environment has become ever more hostile. But I am very nostalgic for the time where I would power up a Vic-20 and within seconds be able to get to work. Teaching my daughter to program on a modern computer, we spend more time bootstrapping and in process, than we do in actual development.

That computers are just slower to interact with now is such a truism that we hardly remark upon it any more. It seems utterly insane that in the early 90's I could just run Windows 3.1 on a bit of kit that in all likelihood wouldn't even power a toaster today, and the experience was, well, frictionless. I don't recall ever thinking "wtf is this thing doing ?", whereas today, by contrast, if I have the audacity to be…

> It seems utterly insane that in the early 90's I could just run Windows 3.1 on a bit of kit that in all likelihood wouldn't even power a toaster today, and the experience was, well, frictionless. I don't recall ever thinking "wtf is this thing doing?" ...

I generally agree, but I sometimes ran Windows 3.0 on a 386SX-16 in the early 90s, and often wondered why it ran so slow on my admittedly underpowered but supported system.

At some point I read (perhaps in Compute! or BYTE) that Windows made something like 20 or 30 syscalls to draw one line of a window's border. That seemed exceptionally inefficient to me, so I stopped using Windows. I generally worked in DOS, but if I wanted a GUI, Geoworks provided an experience at least ten times better (subjectively) -- smooth UI, ability to multitask, a surprisingly good word processor and other well-designed software included.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by oefrha »

mbreese wrote: post #114
oefrha wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see it on macOS 10.15.4 (19E287). The full list of categories on my Privacy tab: - Location Services - Contacts - Calendars - Reminders - Photos - Camera - Microphone - Speech Recognition - Accessibility - Input Monitoring - Full Disk Access - Files and Folders - Screen Recording - Automation - Advertising - Analytics & Improvements Granted I don't typically use Terminal.app (iTerm 2 user), so I launched term…

Maybe if you ran Terminal.app once it would work? (I'm also on 10.15.4 (19E287))

No, I played around with Terminal.app for quite a while already. Actually the category does show up on another machine of mine (see edit)... I suspected that maybe I never ran Xcode on the first machine since I upgraded to Catalina, so I launched Xcode, but again, no luck. I'm at a complete loss now.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by m463 »

sneak wrote: post #77

Increasingly I find macOS only to be tolerable with iCloud (and Siri, location, suggestions, bug reporting, et c) entirely disabled, and Little Snitch’s built in/automatic whitelisting for Apple services disabled, and most of the background processes entirely denied networking access. It phones home constantly even with all of the services disabled/opted out. It’s indeed a huge mess, from a privacy standpoint too, no…

and there are a lot of background processes.

running just firefox and terminal, ps -ef|wc -l is 198

and many of them have no reason to be on my system.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by Razengan »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #66
sooheon wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although insecurity leads to less privacy as well.

Sometimes, but sometimes security measures lead to less privacy. Say, if executing local programs sends information to a remote server.

If that information can’t be used to identify anyone then it retains privacy while being secure. Being slow would still be an issue.

Re: MacOS Catalina: Slow by Design?

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Post by saagarjha »

Nextgrid wrote: post #19

I've been forced to update to this pile of shit because latest iOS requires latest Xcode which in turn requires Catalina. It's a nightmare. First off the new apps (music, podcasts, etc) are terrible. They killed off iTunes but replaced it with much worse. These apps don't behave like standard macOS apps, the UI is full of inconsistencies and is just so empty. This website has nice examples of the failures of modern M…

> The Mail app will now randomly play the "new mail" sound.

It’s not quite random: it plays the sounds as it gets new email, but then it takes anywhere between a couple of seconds to a minute for the new email to be visible in the UI. Infuriating.

> Xcode was stuck upgrading in the App Store. It would start the process and never make any progress. Cancelling it had no effect. Rebooting cancelled it but the second attempt, while making progress, ended up failing with a generic error message with no actual information.

I just normally kill the store-related daemons when that happens.

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