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Re: Siri, What Time Is It in London?

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Post by criddell »

Recursing wrote: post #229
gambiting wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would I be incorrect to assume that something like 17:00 will be understood by literally everyone in the world(if maybe not the preferred format) though? Using AM/PM is worse in a sense that say someone in Poland will literally have no idea which means which. 24 hour clock has no ambiguity. Unless I'm wrong and there are countries or cultures which literally won't understand what time 17:00 is?

I think almost everybody in European countries knows about AM/PM, but I certainly get confused by 11:59 AM vs 12:00 AM

I've never been able to keep 12 AM vs 12 PM straight in my head. If I have to put something on my calendar or set an alarm for that time, I always use 11:59 AM or PM.

Is there a mnemonic or trick for remembering?

Re: Siri, What Time Is It in London?

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Post by Gatsky »

DangerousPie wrote: post #41

It's ridiculous how Siri is still this shitty. I have an 11 Pro and even on such an expensive phone I can't really trust it to do anything more advanced than set timers. Every few months I try to do something else and just get annoyed at how bad it is. Before lockdown I even had it disabled entirely because it would get activated randomly from time to time, even if nobody in the vicinity said anything remotely close…

It isn’t really ridiculous. The number of people that buy an iphone because of Siri could share a pizza.

Re: Siri, What Time Is It in London?

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Post by chx »

Although Google Maps now fixed this, this was quite a bit of problem for the longest time. The place is Budapest, Hungary. Place names are unique within districts but not within the entire city. Entering Deák tér (tér meaning square) into Google Maps for the longest time has brought up a tiny speck of an insignificant location in the boondocks instead of the very center of the city where all three underground lines cross and the airport bus terminates. The thing is, the latter officially is called Deák Ferenc Tér... but noone alive calls it that.

Re: Siri, What Time Is It in London?

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Post by wazoox »

DangerousPie wrote: post #41

It's ridiculous how Siri is still this shitty. I have an 11 Pro and even on such an expensive phone I can't really trust it to do anything more advanced than set timers. Every few months I try to do something else and just get annoyed at how bad it is. Before lockdown I even had it disabled entirely because it would get activated randomly from time to time, even if nobody in the vicinity said anything remotely close…

I almost never use the "google assistant". However it has an habit of firing up while I'm driving listening to podcasts : "I didn't understand your command" (generally, at a annoyingly loud level, with that). I didn't ask you anything, you stupid. You've just misunderstood a sound coming out of the phone itself, where nobody said anything remotely related to "hey google" or "OK google". Puhlease.

Re: Siri, What Time Is It in London?

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Post by mc32 »

gambiting wrote: post #219
aib wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can we please also take a moment to wish tiny inconveniences upon designers of applications which ignore my locale and present me with "11:06 AM" or worse, "04/05/2020"?

Yep, if you're presenting to international audiences then either one of those two is unacceptable. First one because in a lot of countries people genuinely won't know what AM means, the other because there's only one clear way of reading it, but it's not consistent between countries.

The AM isn’t the main problem. It can be looked up. The issue is whose 11AM? What time zone?

Re: Siri, What Time Is It in London?

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Post by gambiting »

Recursing wrote: post #229
gambiting wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would I be incorrect to assume that something like 17:00 will be understood by literally everyone in the world(if maybe not the preferred format) though? Using AM/PM is worse in a sense that say someone in Poland will literally have no idea which means which. 24 hour clock has no ambiguity. Unless I'm wrong and there are countries or cultures which literally won't understand what time 17:00 is?

I think almost everybody in European countries knows about AM/PM, but I certainly get confused by 11:59 AM vs 12:00 AM

>>I think almost everybody in European countries knows about AM/PM

Again, as a Polish person I don't think that's true at all, certainly in Poland it isn't.

Re: Siri, What Time Is It in London?

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

DangerousPie wrote: post #41

It's ridiculous how Siri is still this shitty. I have an 11 Pro and even on such an expensive phone I can't really trust it to do anything more advanced than set timers. Every few months I try to do something else and just get annoyed at how bad it is. Before lockdown I even had it disabled entirely because it would get activated randomly from time to time, even if nobody in the vicinity said anything remotely close…

I'm convinced it's actually gotten worse with the 11, I recently went from an iPhone 7 where Siri only really activated randomly a handful of times a year and could set timers (Only thing I ever use it for) with a shout across a room over the sound of an oven and fan.

Now it randomly activates multiple times a week and really struggles to even pick up me talking to it right next to it.

Convinced they've switched to a less capable microphone system because assistants were all the rage in the 7 era but now I think people have realized it's not really that important.

Re: Siri, What Time Is It in London?

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Post by qayxc »

irishsultan wrote: post #104
qayxc wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the absence of context, the best answer is London, UK. You actually need to imagine additional context to make any other answer plausible. If you hear the sound of hooves clip-clopping nearby, you think horses, not zebras.

In the absence of context there is no best answer. You need context to know why London, UK is much more likely to be the right London "without additional context".

> In the absence of context there is no best answer.

sigh why do people always feel the need to redefine words?

By any definition of the word, "best" is correct term to use here.

Here's a few definitions of the word "best", please and in all honesty, tell me why the use is wrong given the following:

• best: "In the most excellent or most suitable manner; with most advantage or success: as, he who runs best gets the prize; the best-behaved boy in the school; the best-cultivated fields."

• best: "In or to the highest degree; to the fullest extent; most fully: as, those who know him best speak highly of him; those best informed say so; the best-abused man in town."

• best: "Of the highest quality, excellence, or standing: said of both persons and things in regard to mental, moral, or physical qualities, whether inherent or acquired: as, the best writers and speakers; the best families; the best judgment; the best years of one's life; a house built of the best materials."

So if there is a finite set of possible answers and a set of criteria that establish a metric to turn this set into an ordered set, there is by definition a non-empty set of best answers. The context-free metric for ranking cities is global relevance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_city

And now please look at the number 1 spot of this list.

Thanks for reading.

Re: Siri, What Time Is It in London?

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Post by ajuc »

Recursing wrote: post #229
gambiting wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would I be incorrect to assume that something like 17:00 will be understood by literally everyone in the world(if maybe not the preferred format) though? Using AM/PM is worse in a sense that say someone in Poland will literally have no idea which means which. 24 hour clock has no ambiguity. Unless I'm wrong and there are countries or cultures which literally won't understand what time 17:00 is?

I think almost everybody in European countries knows about AM/PM, but I certainly get confused by 11:59 AM vs 12:00 AM

I am from Poland, and while we understand 12-hour clock and use it interchangeably with 24-hour one (well, mostly old people, young people just use 24-hour clock) - nobody uses AM/PM.

In Polish it's 8 rano (in the morning) vs 8 wieczorem (in the evening).

I can't remember which is which in AM/PM, and have to check each time :)

And the issues with midnight/noon are frustrating and 12-hour-clock should just die.

Re: Siri, What Time Is It in London?

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Post by mc32 »

criddell wrote: post #241
Recursing wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think almost everybody in European countries knows about AM/PM, but I certainly get confused by 11:59 AM vs 12:00 AM

I've never been able to keep 12 AM vs 12 PM straight in my head. If I have to put something on my calendar or set an alarm for that time, I always use 11:59 AM or PM. Is there a mnemonic or trick for remembering?

Yes, you can’t have 12:01AM being in the afternoon, so 12:00AM must be one minute before 12:01AM, so it is also dark.
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