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You say that as if we've known this since January or something... and as if you have inside knowledge of what those people are investigating right now. Do you? The news on this has just come out. Maybe give them a chance to react before judging?
>You say that as if we've known this since January or something Yes, who could have possibly known about covid19 in January? [0] >and as if you have inside knowledge of what those people are investigating right now. Do you? The news on this has just come out. Maybe give them a chance to react before judging? It doesn't take a genius to figure out that forcing people to stay at home, to socially distance themselves fr…
Suicides on the rise amid stay-at-home order, Bay Area medical professionals say
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#12[0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/14/japan-suicides...
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#13At what point are more people killing themselves than are getting saved by quarantine orders? No one is seriously making this calculation.
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#14Isolation paradox: Isolating will help you be less susceptible to illness. Isolation is known to cause higher levels of loneliness, depression, fear, anxiety and weaker immune system increasing susceptibility to illness.
It's not really a paradox because it's understood. Isolation signals to your body that you are being excluded from your tribe or low on the social ladder, which means your world is now more threatening than it used to be, so you need to use more energy to be hyper-vigilant and responsive to stressors.
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#15Damn.
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No one in the CDC or state health departments seem to be taking this into account. They're only optimizing for one variable: number of infected and number of covid19 deaths.
You say that as if we've known this since January or something... and as if you have inside knowledge of what those people are investigating right now. Do you? The news on this has just come out. Maybe give them a chance to react before judging?
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#17At what point are more people killing themselves than are getting saved by quarantine orders? No one is seriously making this calculation.
Maybe being told to stay indoors spikes hopelessness, or it could be that living in a country with an out of control pandemic with no end in sight spikes hopelessness.
There's a lot of factors that make the world a stressful, bleak looking place besides stay at home orders.
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#18One hypothesis the article states is that in normal life people's sensory inputs are overwhelmed and cause anxiety. The sudden calmness the lockdown introduced might have a positive effect. This is, however, in contrast with the paired increased loneliness.
[1] https://nos.nl/artikel/2334626-tot-20-procent-minder-zelfdod...
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#19At what point are more people killing themselves than are getting saved by quarantine orders? No one is seriously making this calculation.
also, should be obvious, but we cannot know how many more people would've died if there was no lockdown, so comparing numbers as they are today is really dumb.
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#20Funnily enough, yesterday an article appeared[1] claiming the number of suicides in the Netherlands has dropped up to 20 percent. Cause as of yet unknown. Also unclear whether this effect is temporary. One hypothesis the article states is that in normal life people's sensory inputs are overwhelmed and cause anxiety. The sudden calmness the lockdown introduced might have a positive effect. This is, however, in contras…
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/14/japan-suicides...