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Mount Everest is visible from Kathmandu for first time in living memory

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Re: Mount Everest is visible from Kathmandu for first time in living memory

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Post by lsllc »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #258
idiocratic wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Been to Kathmandu several times and I wouldn't say Nepal is industrialised in general, but not even remotely at the level of China. What makes the air really bad in Kathmandu is the amount of old trucks and buses on the very dusty streets of the city. It's a different kind of air pollution to what you might experience in an industrialised nation. When I'm there I always wear a mask, otherwise a cough will develop alm…

There's a few places in my travels where I've picked black boogers... big cities in Nepal, India, and Venezuela.

London.

Re: Mount Everest is visible from Kathmandu for first time in living memory

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Post by dntbnmpls »

dijit wrote: post #222
jokoon wrote: post #173

There were a lot of humor pictures on reddit about this. Things like "you can see X for the first time since Y". I'm suspecting it could be an astroturfing effort by the fossil fuels lobby, to try to discredit the real pictures. I guess I'm paranoid, but at least it shows I have little faith in the internet.

Honestly, the amount that public discourse can be swayed by "meme makers" and other such things has left me very disillusioned. No doubt there are people who either have a marginal vested interest in denying this ("I love my truck/status quo/flights") and also normal people who are typically contrarian. -- these people can be easily swayed by people who have a financial investment in keeping things fossil friendly. I…

Vox is hardly a reliable source. It's as trustworthy as the memes that you fear.

Re: Mount Everest is visible from Kathmandu for first time in living memory

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Post by nixish »

elcapitan wrote: post #93

Hm, is this actually true? According to this travel site, it was already possible before Corona? https://www.nestadventure.com/blog/mount-everest-from-kathma... "Contrary to everyone’s belief, Mount Everest can actually be seen from Kathmandu. The Chandragiri hills in Kathmandu offer a panoramic view of the Himalayan ranges and Mount Everest on a clear day. There are also viewpoints and hill stations just outside Kat…

I am from Kathmandu. Yes, technically, you could see Mt. Everest on a clear dawn from Fulchowki or Chandragiri.

But, seeing Mt. Everest sitting from my terrace at home in Kathmandu (theoretically as I am in Boston, but some of my folks in Nepal see Sagarmatha (Everest) now) would not have been possible without all this pollution throughout Nepal going away.

Re: Mount Everest is visible from Kathmandu for first time in living memory

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Post by nabn »

elcapitan wrote: post #93

Hm, is this actually true? According to this travel site, it was already possible before Corona? https://www.nestadventure.com/blog/mount-everest-from-kathma... "Contrary to everyone’s belief, Mount Everest can actually be seen from Kathmandu. The Chandragiri hills in Kathmandu offer a panoramic view of the Himalayan ranges and Mount Everest on a clear day. There are also viewpoints and hill stations just outside Kat…

Chandragiri hills is at a higher altitude than Kathmandu valley.

Re: Mount Everest is visible from Kathmandu for first time in living memory

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Post by 101404 »

senorjazz wrote: post #223
101404 wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. Wood or coal stoves are still very much in use in villages. At least that's what I saw living in many developing countries for the past two decades. Btw, burning biomass would not change the problem. Wood and charcoal is biomass too.

People in Kathmandu are using gas. That's a few million people. Sure in the villages, but the numbers pale in comparison

Wrong again. In developing countries, a majority of people live in the countryside. That's one thing that differentiates those countries from developed countries.

But that's not really important, because even if only 20% of households used wood/coal for cooking, it is very much noticiable.

Re: Mount Everest is visible from Kathmandu for first time in living memory

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Post by m463 »

beilabs wrote: post #216

Lads, this happened for a single day, it was lovely but is not a regular event. The city still has pollution issues however many now agree that it's caused from burnings that occur in northern India. I've lived here since the earthquake, have only seen Everest from my rooftop in the capital one single time. There are about 99% fewer vehicles on the road as we are in complete lockdown however the brick kilns that are…

I've been to mexico city a lot of times. One day I had to take a taxi at 6 am sunday morning after a hard rain the night before.

The air have been cleaned by the rain and the sky was clear. And I noticed that the city was surrounded by these picturesqe mountain peaks (that I had never seen before, or since)

I imagine you seeing the same thing.

Re: Mount Everest is visible from Kathmandu for first time in living memory

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Post by dijit »

dntbnmpls wrote: post #272
dijit wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, the amount that public discourse can be swayed by "meme makers" and other such things has left me very disillusioned. No doubt there are people who either have a marginal vested interest in denying this ("I love my truck/status quo/flights") and also normal people who are typically contrarian. -- these people can be easily swayed by people who have a financial investment in keeping things fossil friendly. I…

Vox is hardly a reliable source. It's as trustworthy as the memes that you fear.

Citation please.

Vox media has a left bias but is mostly factual[0].

And, like I said, at least their identity is tied to their statements, so if something is false it has the possibility of being called out, and you notice when they spew a lot of content with the same idea.

You can't do a media bias fact check with memes.

[0]: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/vox/

Re: Mount Everest is visible from Kathmandu for first time in living memory

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Post by ddalex »

distant_hat wrote: post #124

Either living memory is very short or there is something else going on. That region of the world did not industrialize until mid 20th century. The levels of pollution would be significantly lower than today even in the memories of older living people there.

Or was it because you had more time to slow down and look at the sky??

Re: Mount Everest is visible from Kathmandu for first time in living memory

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Post by dntbnmpls »

dijit wrote: post #277
dntbnmpls wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vox is hardly a reliable source. It's as trustworthy as the memes that you fear.

Citation please. Vox media has a left bias but is mostly factual[0]. And, like I said, at least their identity is tied to their statements, so if something is false it has the possibility of being called out, and you notice when they spew a lot of content with the same idea. You can't do a media bias fact check with memes. [0]: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/vox/

> Citation please.

"Vox media has a left bias...".

> And, like I said, at least their identity is tied to their statements

Right. So you know that they are not reliable and untrustworthy.

> You can't do a media bias fact check with memes.

Sure you can. Just like you can for any media.

> [0]: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/vox/

Mediabiasfactcheck, snope, etc are even more untrustworthy than vox. This is the circular joke that the media is. Since nobody trusts them, they create "fact checkers" to create an illusion of objectivity. They'd be better off creating another award named after a fake news king like Pulitzer.

Let me guess you think foxnews is the bastion of truth?

Re: Mount Everest is visible from Kathmandu for first time in living memory

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Post by dijit »

dntbnmpls wrote: post #279
dijit wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citation please. Vox media has a left bias but is mostly factual[0]. And, like I said, at least their identity is tied to their statements, so if something is false it has the possibility of being called out, and you notice when they spew a lot of content with the same idea. You can't do a media bias fact check with memes. [0]: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/vox/

> Citation please. "Vox media has a left bias...". > And, like I said, at least their identity is tied to their statements Right. So you know that they are not reliable and untrustworthy. > You can't do a media bias fact check with memes. Sure you can. Just like you can for any media. > [0]: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/vox/ Mediabiasfactcheck, snope, etc are even more untrustworthy than vox. This is the circular j…

I think you're proving my point here a little bit.

Fox News have an identity tied to their media output, therefore if they consistently put out bad faith or incorrect representations of information then they will be identified and mentally blacklisted.

Fox News in particular has a wikipedia page dedicated to it[0]

The idea that "Snopes and media fact check are biased and inaccurate" is bordering on the insane.

If you can't trust the media _and_ you can't trust the people who keep an eye on the media, who can you trust?

Deplatforming all media sources and those that seek to keep them in check just leaves you vulnerable to people who do not identify themselves feeding you biased information.

I don't trust myself, I can apply some amount of critical thinking to new information as it is presented but I can't be everywhere at once nor can I be an expert on all things. If you depose all your information sources you will be left with information coming from unofficial sources, and that is not better because "unofficial" generally just means "unaccountable".

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News_controversies

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