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Re: YouTube removes interview with professor of medicine on Covid stats and policy

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Youtube Vimeo Name the next five that are discoverable, host your videos for free, and can stream that to millions of people in a single day.

> ... discoverable, host your videos for free, and can stream that to millions of people in a single day No one has an inalienable right to any of these features, let alone to all of them in a neat package. The organizations that invest ingenuity, capital and labor to create platforms with those features do have a right to set terms on how their platforms is used. I don't get how the solution to what is seen as corpo…

TBF, these are more like entitlements than rights.

Re: YouTube removes interview with professor of medicine on Covid stats and policy

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As a contrarian view, do our rights require it to be _cheap_? AWS + a domain name (`www.the-moon-really-is-made-of-cheese.com`) seems like something that is available to everyone. - It's not cheap - It's not easy However, it's a platform of speech that is available to everyone, and if you want to scale to millions, one can add the same caching layers etc that FAANG can. We've seen this kind of thing when people were…

> AWS + a domain name [for video hosting] Have fun with that egress bill when your video goes viral.

"that's a good problem to have" doesn't really work when it bankrupts you/your company.

Re: YouTube removes interview with professor of medicine on Covid stats and policy

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>Total censorship doesn't happen overnight. The gates slowly close little by little. beautifully stated. Or the more common "boiling a frog slowly" If we do not fight for our freedoms, our children will get used to the reduced freedoms as a 'new normal' and it will only get more repressive

Boiling a frog slowly is a sound argument against any form of heating even while you are freezing to death. Existing platforms could be misused by private actors in a way that negatively effects the populace. Arguably most of the people presently concerned are either a majority of bad actors or a minority of idealists concerned about future potential. To the worthy minority I would suggest that difficult to censor pl…

> the massive risk remains censorship by state actors

the state actors are to an extent, elected by the people. The big corporates have no accountability.

> I suggest we in the short term we encourage people like YouTube to censor more evil idiocy

You say that because in this narrow issue, you agree with youtube.

What is the short term?

Have you thought through all the consequences? and still, things will happen that you have not accounted for. everyone is against evil or idiocy. The question is who decides what is?

The media's propaganda can and is being used to brainwash the people, and the results are clearly out for all to see.

Re: YouTube removes interview with professor of medicine on Covid stats and policy

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> That a huge part of the population choose unwisely and footgun themselves and the rest it's quite obvious. Twitter and media hyperbole aside how exactly is the current admin that much different than the previous? Bush #2 had fake WMDs and leveraged that to go to war. A war that cost hundreds of thousands of lives and a ridiculous amount of money. The last admin bailed out Wall Street (with few concessions), re-sign…

Those twitter outbursts you dismiss are public statements from the highest executive office. Provoking hate crimes is not something to be dismissed.

Bush caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people with the Iraq war, and you're upset about some tweets?! Why do people have such a distorted view of right and wrong?

Re: YouTube removes interview with professor of medicine on Covid stats and policy

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I don’t agree with the interview contents, nor think professorship alone gives sufficient credibility in the face of a novel pandemic, data of which is in the process of emerging. That said, I don’t want youtube to be in charge of deciding what is credible or not. They don’t have in-house experts on these domains, they don’t have a magic epistemology machine that spits out the “facts”. They are good at writing web se…

And on the other end of the spectrum we have people being indoctrinated into violent conspiracy groups like QAnon, or being prompted to set fire to cell towers, or bringing measles back from the dead, because of YouTube videos. There's a line to be drawn here - and it's a tricky line, to be sure - but "YouTube should be totally neutral and not pull anything" is not a viable answer.

You've just given a bunch of evidence that those things are happening despite our benevolent censors' best efforts.

I think giving people the idea that they've stumbled onto dangerous truths just makes them more resolute. Or do you think the issue is they just need to be suppressed even harder?

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And on the other end of the spectrum we have people being indoctrinated into violent conspiracy groups like QAnon, or being prompted to set fire to cell towers, or bringing measles back from the dead, because of YouTube videos. There's a line to be drawn here - and it's a tricky line, to be sure - but "YouTube should be totally neutral and not pull anything" is not a viable answer.

How is QAnon violent? How does their violence level compare to Antifa?

This doesn't directly answer your question of "violent" (and it seems on the whole the QAnon protests have been non-violent), but the FBI assessed QAnon Extremists as a domestic terrorism threat[0]. (The qualification here is "QAnon Extremists" which appears to, probably correctly, separate the extremist element from the majority).

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon#FBI_domestic_terrorism_a...

Re: YouTube removes interview with professor of medicine on Covid stats and policy

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The abhorrent "safe space" culture was mostly contained to college campuses a decade ago. Unfortunately, every large left-leaning organisation across the US is now deeply steeped in it. You reap what you sow.

If we're going to tie this to college campus censorship, a better analogy would be the tendency of many schools to ban speakers who might criticize the US foreign policy orthodoxy on Israel/Palestine. That would have a different ideological narrative attached, though. But I think, fundamentally, the motivations for a big tech company are different from those of a university. Universities are most interested in preven…

> If we're going to tie this to college campus censorship, a better analogy would be the tendency of many schools to ban speakers who might criticize the US foreign policy orthodoxy on Israel/Palestine.

That's not who is being banned though: https://www.thefire.org/research/disinvitation-database/#hom...

> Big tech platform owners tolerate all sorts of flamewars and offensive or misleading content until governments start talking about regulating them, at which point they try to "self-regulate" by purging everything related to whatever the governments are getting worked up about.

That's verifiably incorrect. The current administration abhors big tech censorship: https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/126169284113628774...

Re: YouTube removes interview with professor of medicine on Covid stats and policy

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On top of that, Sweeden is recording very high death rates and latest estimates point to around 7% in immunity.

Even if they had 30% immunity, that still leaves the majority of the population exposed. I'm sure 30% would be very much preferable (if it's even true), but probably not good enough to allow things like concerts or maybe even sit down restaurants to reopen.

There are estimates that herd-immunity is achievable at 43%

"The disease-induced herd immunity level is 43% ... when immunity is induced by disease spreading, the proportion infected in groups with high contact rates is greater than in groups with low contact rates"

https://arxiv.org/abs/2005.03085

Re: YouTube removes interview with professor of medicine on Covid stats and policy

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Unlike most other European countries, Sweden is not increasing its sovereign debt load by 15+% of GDP to keep the citizenry afloat. That’ll feel a lot more important than Covid in 5 years.

I think this is likely a biased view. If you ask the families of the 300+k people who died from Covid-19 they probably won't consider the economic impact to be the most significant.

Thankfully, that's both not how democracy works - we don't ask a biased sample - and exactly how it works - we ask everyone what they think of the government's performance and they vote for or against.

When we all look back in 5 years, then 10, then 15, there will be different "obvious" conclusions drawn. Right now, anyone who sides with any action as correct should have a confidence level that is extremely small.

The more varied the responses, the more we learn as a species, and I am glad that not everywhere assumes they are NYC or Lombardy, and acts in varying ways so that in 5, 10, and 15 years the coming studies have different data points of comparison.

Re: YouTube removes interview with professor of medicine on Covid stats and policy

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By the way, you might know that in California, shopping centers may have to allow people to engage in some expressive activity on their private property, even when they don't endorse the speakers' message: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pruneyard_Shopping_Center_v._R... (I don't mean to suggest that this provides some kind of obvious solution to Internet content moderation disputes.)

Thanks! That’s what I was trying to refer to. But that seems different in a few ways. First, there’s actually physical open spaces in malls where the public is invited—you don’t have to shop. Second, the protest in a mall is ephemeral. Youtube is like a store in the mall, not the open forum (I don’t think Macy’s would be required to have a protest in its store); the internet is like that open space. Second, extending…

Those do all sound like significant differences between a physical mall and a video hosting service.
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