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YouTube removes interview with professor of medicine on Covid stats and policy

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Re: YouTube removes interview with professor of medicine on Covid stats and policy

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Why shouldn’t I as an advertiser not be allowed to choose which content I want my products to be associated with? It amazes me how willing HN posters are willing to give up power to the government.

> Why shouldn’t I as an advertiser not be allowed to choose which content I want my products to be associated with? That's easy, because the law I propose will decree so. As for the moral reasoning, because (a) advertisers are scum, and (b) they should not have powers over content publication. The same reason advertisers putting a billboard don't get to dictate what cars can and cannot pass by it. > It amazes me how…

As for the moral reasoning, because (a) advertisers are scum, and (b) they should not have powers over content publication. The same reason advertisers putting a billboard don't get to dictate what cars can and cannot pass by it.

Honestly I think politicians are bigger scum and they have the power of the state to impose their will. Do you really think if you gave the state power they would use it fairly?

I'm all for giving power to the government, which people vote for, and have established mechanisms to control, instead of private interests that talk by throwing money.

Elected officials don’t get into the minutiae of enforcing those types of laws. Unelected committees like the FTC do and most of your recourse if you don’t like it is to file lawsuits that are decided by unelected judges that have lifetime appointments.

Not to mention that even those appointments are made by the Senate where the flyover states in “Middle America” and the “Bible Belt” have power far more than their populations would call for thanks to them having two seats in the Senate just like the more populous states. Those are both the last people I want to give more power to.

Yes I’m well aware that the other side is just as bad.

Re: YouTube removes interview with professor of medicine on Covid stats and policy

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This is a site for curiosity, and repetition and curiosity don't go together. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... Multiply that 10x when the repetition is indignant or inflammatory. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... I doubt that you would want other commenters to drill you like a schoolchild, but even if I'm wrong about that, please don't do it to others on th…

Ok. I think you are right.

Appreciated!

Re: YouTube removes interview with professor of medicine on Covid stats and policy

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> professor of medicine According to this guy's Wikipedia page, he has claimed many times to be a professor of oncology at Imperial College: but he is not, and Imperial College has sought legal options to stop him from making this claim. The page is full of other fairly astonishing stuff, not the least of which is apparent fraud connected with the Lockerbie Bombing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karol_Sikora I get th…

So he is a paid shill. At least he does not promote drinking bleach.

Re: YouTube removes interview with professor of medicine on Covid stats and policy

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These types of censorship patterns are identical to that employed by China in intent . The practical consequences are the same as well. In China information censorship is due to the government trying to promote peace and harmony. Aka, the government thinks it knows what’s best for people and forces it on people. Facebook et al also encounter these same problems, where they see people spreading “misinformation.” It’s…

As long as you can host your video on your own website, that's not the same. If you own website, you have all rights to do any censorship you want. Now if your government will try to fine or arrest you because you hosted some video on your website, that's censorship. You can avoid youtube, but you can't avoid your government. That said, I agree that huge websites like youtube, facebook, instagram are something more t…

Did everyone forget what happened to these unsavory characters? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Stormer#Site_hosting...

Re: YouTube removes interview with professor of medicine on Covid stats and policy

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These types of censorship patterns are identical to that employed by China in intent . The practical consequences are the same as well. In China information censorship is due to the government trying to promote peace and harmony. Aka, the government thinks it knows what’s best for people and forces it on people. Facebook et al also encounter these same problems, where they see people spreading “misinformation.” It’s…

> The practical consequences are the same as well.

Is YouTube sending people to "re-education camps" now?

If a private platform kicks you out, you can host your stuff elsewhere. If a state censors you, it can use lethal force to silence you. Pretty big difference.

Re: YouTube removes interview with professor of medicine on Covid stats and policy

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> ex director at the WHO Regarding his relation to WHO, according to his own claims (dead link on wikipedia) he was "Chief of the Cancer Program from 1997" (to 1999, just two years, two decades ago). But we also know that he falsely claimed to be professor on Imperial College, see also posts here.

There are documents in the WHO's online archive which support the claim. E.g.: https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/331393/WH-1...

Yes, thanks, there it is:

"Dr Karol Sikora is Chief of the WHO Programme on Cancer Control" as per the magazine from "September--October 1998"

1) obviously not equivalent to "ex director at the WHO"

2) obviously more than 20 years ago

3) and "on cancer control", not on epidemiology

still not anything to allow him to misrepresent his relation to Imperial College as late as 2020 (!) or to give a credence to his current epidemiological policy views.

Re: YouTube removes interview with professor of medicine on Covid stats and policy

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IMHO, this is an incredibly authoritarian point of view. It makes the assumption that the content being censored or banned is both wrong and damaging. I am not only referring to this specific case, but the interviewee here is ostensibly someone of expertise being a professor of medicine. That doesn't mean what they say is correct but at the very least they have direct knowledge of the topic. In the grand scheme of th…

IMHO, this is an incredibly authoritarian point of view. Is it authoritarian if misinformation are being spread?

It is always authoritarian, yes. People do have the right to be wrong and make mistakes, that's part of an indivials personal sovereignty

That said, having tens of thousands die bringing innocent people with them to the grave is a matter of public policy and the very reason why governments are not direct democracies but republics instead

I am happy that this video was removed, not because I trust YouTube, but because I don't want to see people continue to die needlessly. Governments have other tools to provide economic sustenance to those that require it. And no, I won't go to the cinema, a mall or a restaurant simply "because they are open" as I don't have the brain of a child to risk myself and my family for it

Re: YouTube removes interview with professor of medicine on Covid stats and policy

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Let me be contrary: who shut down millions of businesses and put millions out of work? Well, I'd blame the pandemic itself. Sweden provides an imperfect but interesting what-if scenario for countries wondering what would have happened if they'd imposed little to no lockdown restrictions. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/30/coronavirus-sweden-economy-t... Their economy is still taking a very severe hit despite retail busi…

On top of that, Sweeden is recording very high death rates and latest estimates point to around 7% in immunity.

The 7% was a month ago, ie that was when the tests took place.

If you believe the disease is rampant in Sweden, it’ll be much higher now. If it’s not, then the hard lockdowns elsewhere were superfluous.

Re: YouTube removes interview with professor of medicine on Covid stats and policy

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I think that we often get hung up on the what-ifs of censorship while misinformation is doing damage right this second. The problem is that people don't evaluate 2 narratives equally based on the information in them. If that was the case, you would just have to make sure that for every bogus report there is a reliable report, but once misinformation takes hold it takes a lot more than that to dislodge. The analogy I…

And THAT is exactly the issue. "Misinformation" uses the prefix "Mis", which is "...a prefix applied to various parts of speech, meaning “ill,” “mistaken,” “wrong,” “wrongly,” “incorrectly,” or simply negating: mistrial; misprint; mistrust." As the Covid-19 situation, prognoses, diagnoses, testing procedures, and far more are PUBLICLY ADMITTED to be flawed, it is RIDICULOUS to silence ANYONE, let alone legitimate exp…

Oh that's very much true

But as stated this is not a freedom of speech issue as YouTube is not the government and nobody is entitled to their private platform

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