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Re: Reddit's top user leaves platform after harassment

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think I've ever volunteered for a profit-maximizing private venture. Is that a thing people commonly do in real life? I mean, I've done internships, but the quid-pro-quo there was quite clear.

(Serious question) what's the difference between an unpaid internship and volunteering?

I would assume most mods don't put "reddit mod" on their resume, for one.

Re: Reddit's top user leaves platform after harassment

#432

While this whole situation is a mess and nowhere near black and white I'm sure, painting Allam in particular as a victim is leaving out a lot of detail. He is not only known for being a reddit power user, he's also infamous for abusing his mod powers, and being provocative and elitist towards people calling him out, mocking, trolling or banning them. He took over and wiped out a sub that tracked his abuse of mod powe…

Additionally, much of that "precious" karma he has is from gaming reddit. He will (re)post something and if it doesn't gain traction in a short amount of time, he'll delete it and repost it. He does this over and over until the post takes off. In the past, it would be fun to watch his profile and see posts jump from "posted 30 min ago" to "posted just now" over and over again.

Re: Reddit's top user leaves platform after harassment

#433
post #4

Relationship Advice lead-ish mod here. We were one of the subs "called out" as being controlled by Gallowboob with the original post and subsequent reposts. We (buu700 and I) added Gallowboob some years back largely to have insight into how other teams modded their subs at a time when we were growing quickly and needed to know what to do to keep up. While useful in meeting that goal, we quickly realized it was pretty…

> Moderating Reddit's larger subreddits is absolutely capable of resulting in PTSD-like symptoms There was a moderator of the gaming subs that killed himself fairly recently. He said largely the same thing that modding was not healthy - but he continued to do it. Why do you think that is? I suspect it was because he had control over something and found that too appealing to let go of. That’s not really a soldier’s di…

> but he continued to do it. Why do you think that is? I suspect it was because he had control over something and found that too appealing to let go of.

Why do people volunteer on anything online, like open source projects even? Sometimes people like a thing, want to keep it good, and feel that it's less likely to happen without them. Leaving is condemning the thing to possibly get worse and decay through less contribution, and interrupts their social connections formed through it and their established routine that gives the satisfaction of contributing. It's not something easily abandoned after investing years in.

Re: Reddit's top user leaves platform after harassment

#434

"Five people moderate the 92 largest subreddits." If that's true, why? How could an individual possibly have enough time and attention to moderate more than one subreddit with millions of users?

It is much worse than that. Some of these mods are on the moderator list for 1000+ subreddits, many with 100,000s or millions of users.

They obviously don't have time to moderate all of these subs.

Re: Reddit's top user leaves platform after harassment

#435
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the continued existence and quality of the subreddit brings value to them. It’s no different than volunteering. The fact that Reddit is for-profit doesn’t really enter into the equation. I don’t get it for relationship subreddits because it’s so mentally exhausting but for fandoms and niche communities the experience is super cool.

It's very different than volunteering - since most people don't volunteer at a FOR PROFIT company. I've volunteered at all sorts of community centers, schools, etc... Never once at a for-profit business in town.

As far as the business of reddit is concerned it provides the tech to run communities on, reddit itself doesn't manage the communities themselves (with the exception of admins stepping in to remove illegal stuff I suppose).

In your analogy reddit is the property owner or landlord of the community center, but it does not operate the community center, so volunteers are necessary.

Re: Reddit's top user leaves platform after harassment

#437
post #5

So, I don't get it. Why does it matter if a few volunteer mods manage a ton of subs? Isn't it hard to do? So they have a hard job? And it's volunteer? And .. what? I don't understand the outrage directed at mods I guess. Note: I'm a light Reddit user. I follow a handful of subs. And I can't name a single mod of any of them. Maybe this is more meaningful for people who spend more time on the site and are more involved…

I'd say it suggests a very different kind of site from what some might have expected.

You may think it's a site where there are many thousands of diverse communities, all with their own standards, viewpoints, preferences, etc. But this sort of thing suggests that the whole site and all of its communities are much closer to being a playground for a cabal of a few dozen super-elite power users. All of the supposedly different standards just reflect slight variations on the same standards held by this elite community, and nothing really outside of their standards can ever get any traction.

In short, we thought the internet was the world's greatest exercise in democracy. Instead, it seems to have morphed into some sort of feudalism or something.

Re: Reddit's top user leaves platform after harassment

#438
post #126
post #15

I am a freshman moderator of /r/portland. I had thought working as a moderator would be a great way to help grow the subreddit's base. Offer more useful real world interaction points and basically have a big impact on Portland. Instead what I've found is that 99% of the time the moderators are dealing with bad actors and that has to be the primary focus to keep the sub from falling apart. It isn't just dealing with t…

There is no way to get unbanned on Reddit, even if your first post is innocuously misplaced, there is simply no mechanism to get unbanned. So what do you suggest people do?

Message the mods politely. If you made a mistake by posting something against the rules, apologize for that. Usually, mods are happy to unban you in that case.

But some mods become really jaded over time and are mean to users by default. I was moderator of a few mid-sized subreddits for a few years and saw that in action. A common thing I saw is a sort of purity mindset, where a moderator feels like the more people they ban, the better the subreddit becomes. It’s really easy to dehumanize people online - users do it to mods, and mods do it to users. But those bad moderators make users hate mods in general, and the cycle continues.

Re: Reddit's top user leaves platform after harassment

#439
post #15

I am a freshman moderator of /r/portland. I had thought working as a moderator would be a great way to help grow the subreddit's base. Offer more useful real world interaction points and basically have a big impact on Portland. Instead what I've found is that 99% of the time the moderators are dealing with bad actors and that has to be the primary focus to keep the sub from falling apart. It isn't just dealing with t…

Vandalism is wrong.

"Doxxing" public figures who try to anonymously control public discourse is not.

Re: Reddit's top user leaves platform after harassment

#440

While this whole situation is a mess and nowhere near black and white I'm sure, painting Allam in particular as a victim is leaving out a lot of detail. He is not only known for being a reddit power user, he's also infamous for abusing his mod powers, and being provocative and elitist towards people calling him out, mocking, trolling or banning them. He took over and wiped out a sub that tracked his abuse of mod powe…

Additionally, much of that "precious" karma he has is from gaming reddit. He will (re)post something and if it doesn't gain traction in a short amount of time, he'll delete it and repost it. He does this over and over until the post takes off. In the past, it would be fun to watch his profile and see posts jump from "posted 30 min ago" to "posted just now" over and over again.

Case in point. I was digging around a bit after my initial comment and found this post[1]

It's crazy how little I found about well known stuff. When trolling and provoking he also deletes his own comments once they get downvoted too much, and I could hardly find anything that documents it, even though it's far from a secret

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/Against_Astroturfing/comments/ans1h...

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