Live data from Hacker News

California affordable housing is more expensive than luxury housing

latimes.com

101–110 of 213 posts

Re: California affordable housing is more expensive than luxury housing

#101
post #6

Amongst the various human rights, the right to build a house should be fundamental, but somehow it was lost to political forces.

If the right to private and personal property is in place (basically having some money) and trading. Then the right to build a house is a consequence. As long as you by land that doesn't have a lien on it you can build a house.

There is a huge and complicated zoning, permitting and certification process if you want to build your house in city-annexed land

Re: California affordable housing is more expensive than luxury housing

#102
post #78

After moving to America a while ago, one thing that struck me is how a lot of things are designed as effectively regressive taxes: the poor pay more than the rich. I opened a basic bank account with a giant American bank. The account has an exorbitant monthly fee, something like $15, but it’s waived if you keep a sufficient balance or have a steady salary. So the only people who pay the crazy fee are the broke people…

I have no idea why someone would use a bank instead of a credit union.

Re: California affordable housing is more expensive than luxury housing

#103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The city was given control of limited lands. The solution is to either be involved with the democracy of the city, or be outside of the city.

At least in California, counties have zoning ordinances and permitting requirements too.

And in LA, local city councilmen operate as feudal lords in their districts with absolute authority on what gets built and especially by whom.

Re: California affordable housing is more expensive than luxury housing

#104

The bullshit and nimbyism in California is truly breathtaking. That happened in the wealthy San Diego County enclave of Solana Beach, where the Pearl was cut from 18 apartments to 10 and its approval required an underground garage with 53 parking spots.

I admit I don't know much about the affordable housing efforts, but I don't know why anyone would put a lot of work into building affordable housing in Solana Beach. https://goo.gl/maps/X1MN673Pwc57eS2C9 It's a tiny ( by CA standards ) town right on the beach and most non-service jobs are a crowded commute away. I don't object to having affordable housing everywhere, but if I wanted to build some in San Diego county,…

Yes this feels a bit like clickbait. The town definitely seems to have gentrified in the past 2 decades. Its like trying to build affordable housing in an area where everyone wants to live.

It'd be the equivalent to trying to build affordable housing next to Central Park in NYC or Waikiki in Hawaii. Its great to try but don't make a big fuss when it is expensive.

Re: California affordable housing is more expensive than luxury housing

#105
post #61

Honestly I ran into partially related situation in NYC. I found a 1-bed apartment I liked at a nicer building, I decided to proceed and next thing you know I'm signing the lease. I read the lease and says a few very peculiar things: 1) the rent is 50% higher than what I saw being advertised/communicated 2) there is a massive discount that brings the rent down to what we agreed to on a separate page 3) this turned out…

So this is saying that you are "agreeing" to the full price, allowing them to one day charge you that full price? (While hooking you in with the 50% discount?)

they can't just arbitrarily jack up the rent during the term of the lease. but they might when you try to renew the lease, or when you move out. the effect is as if there is no rent stabilization (unless market rents go up above $4000 a month or whatever the "official" number is.)

Re: California affordable housing is more expensive than luxury housing

#106
post #80

I know this will be downvoted because people aren't really interested in solving the real problem. We could fix the whole SF homeless population problem in the space of one parking lot. Just build micro apartments of 10'x10' feet. Make it 150' wide at the base: 15x15 = 225 x 40 stories = 9000 inhabitants. 100' feet might not be much, but it's a hella of a lot more space to live in than hong kong, where people barely…

I'm not sure building a ghetto is the right answer. Whats stopping anyone from claiming a 10x10? Can I claim one? You're grossly oversimplifying the issue.

The first 10K or so units would be for the homeless. But, after that you can rent them out for some small amount to anyone that needs it.

Just imagine, if you're homeless and it's raining. What would you prefer? live in the streets or live in a small micro apartment? Sure, not everyone wants one, but why not give people more choices? Right now, your only choices are this: 2 million dollar condo or 20$ tent under a bridge. Let's give people more options?

Re: California affordable housing is more expensive than luxury housing

#107

The bullshit and nimbyism in California is truly breathtaking. That happened in the wealthy San Diego County enclave of Solana Beach, where the Pearl was cut from 18 apartments to 10 and its approval required an underground garage with 53 parking spots.

A friend of mine lived in the bay area for a bit and ended up leaving because he couldn't handle the virtue signaling. From his experience a significant amount of people would talk about helping low socioeconomic folk, oppression, or any other in vogue topic but never actually do anything. These would then be the loudest voices lobbying against having a methadone clinic in their neighborhood. He's living in Denver no…

My summary of civic philosophy in the Bay Area: "Think liberally. Act conservatively."

In addition to San Francisco I've lived in the US South, the Northeast an in Europe. And out of all those regions I feel the Bay Area has been the most conservative and discordant. It's really a shame how a combination of the Byzantine legal processes and small cadres who know and shape the system have created a tyranny of the minority in the Bay Area and San Francisco in particular.

Re: California affordable housing is more expensive than luxury housing

#108
post #61

Honestly I ran into partially related situation in NYC. I found a 1-bed apartment I liked at a nicer building, I decided to proceed and next thing you know I'm signing the lease. I read the lease and says a few very peculiar things: 1) the rent is 50% higher than what I saw being advertised/communicated 2) there is a massive discount that brings the rent down to what we agreed to on a separate page 3) this turned out…

This was sort of fixed last year. https://streeteasy.com/blog/preferential-rent-nyc-new-laws-n...

Re: California affordable housing is more expensive than luxury housing

#109
One thing I would really like a clear explanation of:

When public officials in CA cities talk about "affordable housing", there is actually some definition of this, isn't there? And it doesn't usually match what people in casual conversation mean by affordable housing, right?

"Affordable housing" doesn't just mean a normal house or apartment at an affordable price, does it? Does it mean public housing units built and managed by the city? Or it means housing built by private developers, that's only available for renting or ownership by people meeting certain criteria?

If "affordable housing" means public housing complexes, then I think people voting or advocating for it don't really understand what they're getting into. Because those don't really have a great track record of success.

Re: California affordable housing is more expensive than luxury housing

#110

I know this will be downvoted because people aren't really interested in solving the real problem. We could fix the whole SF homeless population problem in the space of one parking lot. Just build micro apartments of 10'x10' feet. Make it 150' wide at the base: 15x15 = 225 x 40 stories = 9000 inhabitants. 100' feet might not be much, but it's a hella of a lot more space to live in than hong kong, where people barely…

You mean well but I don't think this solution is robust. -many of your pods will become filthy without the gov also agreeing to cleaning services. -people will find ways to own multiple so that gov will have to continuously moderate ownership. -the residents won't pay i presume, so this cost will never recoup itself for the gov. -requirements for applicants will want to prove homelessness and what else? citizenship?…

The alternative is the status quo which is living on the sidewalk with no plumbing nor cleaning nor services. I'd take the tower and make the rooms easy to power wash.
Post reply on HN