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Re: The FBI tracking your browsing history without a warrant might be the beginning

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Post by vanviegen »

jylam wrote: post #70
matheusmoreira wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The United States used to be an example to the world. As a nation it used to take its founding principles seriously. That started changing during the cold war and became most obvious post-9/11.

> The United States used to be an example to the world. Or so the americans say. Who else ?

When I was growing up in the eighties in The Netherlands, the US as it was thought to us in class and as we experienced it through its strong cultural influence, was certainly something to aspire to.

Of course, back then there was an obvious common enemy to point at, and the help the US provided to our country during and after WWII was still kind of fresh in the collective memory.

Re: The FBI tracking your browsing history without a warrant might be the beginning

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Post by shadowgovt »

jylam wrote: post #70
matheusmoreira wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The United States used to be an example to the world. As a nation it used to take its founding principles seriously. That started changing during the cold war and became most obvious post-9/11.

> The United States used to be an example to the world. Or so the americans say. Who else ?

Personally, I tend to point to net immigration numbers when someone raises the question.

Re: The FBI tracking your browsing history without a warrant might be the beginning

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Post by Zooper »

jylam wrote: post #70
matheusmoreira wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The United States used to be an example to the world. As a nation it used to take its founding principles seriously. That started changing during the cold war and became most obvious post-9/11.

> The United States used to be an example to the world. Or so the americans say. Who else ?

It happened around the time when people thought having one dude called a king telling everyone else what to do was a pretty efficient way to run things fairly. Unfortunately, the "enlightenment" never seemed to progress past a small group of landed oligarchs telling everyone else what to do because they were obviously so much smarter and better, we're certain, after all they had all the stuff.

Re: The FBI tracking your browsing history without a warrant might be the beginning

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Post by shadowgovt »

waffle_ss wrote: post #103
techntoke wrote: post #64

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I wish this were the case, but they seem to disproportionately lock up African Americans while giving the rich white people a free pass on crime.

According to National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) numbers, across all races - African Americans included - the arrest rates for violent crimes correlates with the actual amount of crime committed by that race.

That's a tricky number to tease out. One must ask how "actual amount of crime" is measured.

Oftentimes, one finds a feedback loop between arrest rate counting and instances of crime counting that means all kinds of confounding factors enter into the number (including distribution of police patrol resources and likelihood police will let an infringement off with a warning).

Re: The FBI tracking your browsing history without a warrant might be the beginning

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Post by Red_Leaves_Flyy »

winslow wrote: post #77

It's clear that the government(s) haven't had people's interest for quite a while now. It's nice for us to vote and protest but we need to take things into our own hands as those forms have yielded little results. We need to build things and use software that are privacy first. Such as: DuckDuckGo Firefox Signal (actually secure messaging unlike whatsApp) Linux OS TOR Librem 5, is a great open sourced secure phone ex…

Sneakernet

P2p internet

Re: The FBI tracking your browsing history without a warrant might be the beginning

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Post by NineStarPoint »

rickmode wrote: post #72
shadowgovt wrote: post #50

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> It seems something has shifted 180 degrees since WW2 The Twin Towers were destroyed, the Pentagon was damaged, and an additional plane was crashed, via a successful conspiracy that could have been detected by blanket, passive surveillance. That's what changed. The threat model the US defense department is concerned about has changed significantly since WWII. The threat to Pax Americana is not direct military interv…

I don't think this is a good example. If memory serves, the threat _was_ detected, however it was not acted on. There was lots of finger pointing about lack of coordination, but (as I recall) the core problem was that it was one threat amount many (100s? 1000s?), so the threat detection was generating too much noise. Ubiquitous surveillance could (does) easily end up creating the same situation: not enough signal amo…

EDIT: Didn’t take much reflection to realize a lot of awful stuff liberty wise happened during the cold war, so scrap my comment.

Re: The FBI tracking your browsing history without a warrant might be the beginning

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Post by LaurentMonin »

Jah6Aihe wrote: post #9

Here is what I do myself to avoid surveillance culture, in case anyone find it useful. 1. I always use local apps rather than webservices if possible. I use only free software, built from source, to be sure there's no tracker in it (I would love to find a way to whitelist which apps can access the network, but I haven't found a way for that yet). There's almost always a way to perform a task locally. 2. I have a copy…

You can be identified by the wall-of-text you just wrote [you switched recently from arch to gentoo...]

Re: The FBI tracking your browsing history without a warrant might be the beginning

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Post by maerF0x0 »

tossAfterUsing wrote: post #96
nabnob wrote: post #44

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Let's not act like the United States was a shining example of freedom and democracy before WWII, either. Slavery, destroying indigenous people and taking their land, followed by oppressive laws targeting black and indigenous people... Liberal democracy is definitely a step forward from monarchy, but the freedoms it offers have always been built on the oppression of many. It's no surprise that the oppressive arm of im…

> Let's not act like the United States was a shining example of freedom and democracy before WWII, either. Maybe we don't bother mentioning these very obvious historical circumstances. Instead, we can talk about what technological solutions exist already, or could exist in the near term, which would obviate these institutions of oppression. I am very interested in tools like Whatsat[0] and Sphinx[1] which protect com…

> migrate all my "real" searches to Tor (already pwnt)

Can you please explain for someone not up to speed on the topic?

Re: The FBI tracking your browsing history without a warrant might be the beginning

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Post by tossAfterUsing »

claudeganon wrote: post #120
tossAfterUsing wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Let's not act like the United States was a shining example of freedom and democracy before WWII, either. Maybe we don't bother mentioning these very obvious historical circumstances. Instead, we can talk about what technological solutions exist already, or could exist in the near term, which would obviate these institutions of oppression. I am very interested in tools like Whatsat[0] and Sphinx[1] which protect com…

> Maybe we don't bother mentioning these very obvious historical circumstances. Instead, we can talk about what technological solutions exist already, or could exist in the near term, which would obviate these institutions of oppression. These have never been solely technical problems, but political, moral, and organizational ones. States can simply make use or development of any technology illegal and bring the full…

having technologists teaching the lessons to themselves is just jerking off... HN has more potential than that.

for everybody else to learn lessons is a great objective, but doesn't need to be the objective among this crowd.

Re: The FBI tracking your browsing history without a warrant might be the beginning

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Post by Zooper »

RandomBacon wrote: post #85
hi5eyes wrote: post #56

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incarceration rate of the United States of America is one of the highest in the world i love the “freedom” meme for america

Perhaps America is so free that it creates more opportunities for criminals. And because many criminals aren't that good, they get caught and thus incarcerated. In a country that's so restrictive where you can't get a gun or drugs, then there will be a lot less people incarcerated for gun and drug crimes.

And in a country without food, everyone is fed because the population is zero.
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