Reddit's top user leaves platform after harassment • Hacker News Board

Re: Reddit's top user leaves platform after harassment

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Post by haunter » Thu, May 21, 2020, 4:38 PM UTC

jakelazaroff wrote: post #166

haunter wrote: post #14

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>how meaninglessly violent people become when their posts are modded Maybe if mods were more transparent across all the subs. Most people get angry when someone removes their post and yet they see it reposted and approved hours or even minutes later (Gallowboob is infamous for that but regular users do it too)

>>how meaninglessly violent people become when their posts are modded > Maybe if mods were more transparent across all the subs. Does the latter really justify the former? If you disagree with a moderation decision, take it up with them politely. If you consistently disagree, maybe this community just isn't for you! Mods are just people donating their time. Even if they're inconsistent or "corrupt", there's no reason…

> If you consistently disagree, maybe this community just isn't for you!

Ah the classic "don't let others make changes but outcast them" approach.

Re: Reddit's top user leaves platform after harassment

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, May 21, 2020, 4:39 PM UTC

jerrysievert wrote: post #212

bredren wrote: post #108

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You're welcome. > Both of these things can be true at once! I've been on both sides of this. Last year, /r/portland began using the word 'criddler' to describe people in various states of meth-addiction and bicycle thievery. The word was beginning to be used very often to disparage many different types of people. The moderators made a decision to ban it, and the community backlash was supreme. I let the mods have it…

r/portland is one of the worst cesspool subreddits I've seen, and has had a history of really bad moderators over many years. I likely haven't read anything in r/portland since you became a mod, so I can't comment on how it is at the moment, but something about a liberal city draws out the worst in people on that subreddit. but, "criddler" is much older on the sub than "last year", it's been a mainstay for at least 1…

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Re: Reddit's top user leaves platform after harassment

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Post by goostavos » Thu, May 21, 2020, 4:39 PM UTC

collyw wrote: post #76

Goronmon wrote: post #72

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What are you getting out of this? Not the OP, but most people just want to help a community that they are a part of and take a hand in making it better and helping members of the community. You have to remember, this issue is played on pretty much every online community that has likely ever existed, in some form or another. Long before the term "social network" became used.

Judging from most moderators that are active it would appear to be a power thing for them.

You're being downvoted, but GP directly lists one of his reasons for modding as "because Reddit will grow in influence"

Being the invisible hand that shapes the narrative of an entire community to one that you see fit is surely an alluring power. Especially if you think the powers of that influence will grow over time.

It's not crazy to assume that a portion of them are in it for the power. People love positions of minor authority. See: the fragmented history and (hilarious) mod power struggle that led to Seattle now having a bunch of differently managed subreddits.

Re: Reddit's top user leaves platform after harassment

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Post by bredren » Thu, May 21, 2020, 4:39 PM UTC

jerrysievert wrote: post #212

bredren wrote: post #108

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You're welcome. > Both of these things can be true at once! I've been on both sides of this. Last year, /r/portland began using the word 'criddler' to describe people in various states of meth-addiction and bicycle thievery. The word was beginning to be used very often to disparage many different types of people. The moderators made a decision to ban it, and the community backlash was supreme. I let the mods have it…

r/portland is one of the worst cesspool subreddits I've seen, and has had a history of really bad moderators over many years. I likely haven't read anything in r/portland since you became a mod, so I can't comment on how it is at the moment, but something about a liberal city draws out the worst in people on that subreddit. but, "criddler" is much older on the sub than "last year", it's been a mainstay for at least 1…

Jerry, I'd welcome you to come back and see how things are now. I understand there was some moderation in the past that was difficult but that a change went through some time ago.

The group of mods running the show now seem to me good people and having seen how they operate I'd be impressed if other city subs of this size are doing a far better job.

I realized after writing the above that it was likely an older word than that, but it hadn't really been a growing memey word in the sub before last year that I had noticed. Maybe the year before? Time flies.

And thanks for the note on the Portland Police Bureau. Too late to update my post, but I'll try to remember that one.

Re: Reddit's top user leaves platform after harassment

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Post by thejynxed » Thu, May 21, 2020, 4:40 PM UTC

bredren wrote: post #162

friendlybus wrote: post #136

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The 'criddler' word seems humorous. Is there any particular need to ban it outright? These kinds of neologism happen all the time in real life and we ask people to 'tone it down' or give some other social signal that the joke has gone too far. The social feedback is immediate with breathing room, nobody is ejected from social areas, but you know they might be eventually. The joke naturally deflates as the last dregs…

You'll find plenty of debate on this specific subject in the sub's post about it. The word was humorous to me at one point as well. However, it was being applied in general to homeless people. Portland, like many cities, has a serious and growing problem with homelessness. The word was being used to demonize and unfairly group drug addicted folks, people with mental health issues and those who are not those things bu…

Portland (and Seattle) have had such a terrible homeless (and drug addict) problem for decades that it's been reported on in various PBS shows such as Frontline several times over the years. It even spawned an entire music subgenre in rock that gave birth to the likes of Nirvana, Hole, Mudhoney, etc.

Re: Reddit's top user leaves platform after harassment

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Post by nwsm » Thu, May 21, 2020, 4:41 PM UTC

intopieces wrote: post #89

iratewizard wrote: post #45

Reddit's top user in the sense that he reposts to farm karma and moderates over 1000 subreddits. He is an opportunist seeking power. Generally, he is disliked by a large portion of reddit. Spamming reddit at that scale to become self appointed "top user" has a major impact on the site, and it's for the worse when it dilutes the content on a site. Unsurprisingly, there are several accusations of him selling his influe…

> Generally, he is disliked by a large portion of reddit. Huh? 98.1% of users don't post [0]. The user mentioned in the article has the most points of anyone, meaning their posts have the most votes. That doesn't indicate dislike. Quite the opposite, actually. Was there a poll about this user to gauge sentiment? [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/b5f9wi/let...

That's an incredibly naive perspective on media to take.

If national news stations get high ratings does that mean people necessarily like the people generating or publishing the content? Is it impossible for a medium to generate interest and attention while actively attempting to exploit or manipulate its viewers?

Most users do not notice the poster at all when upvoting a thread. Notice the top level thread [0] here talking about Reddit Enhancement Suite and the epiphany that comes with monitoring which accounts one is passively upvoting.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=23258721&goto=item%3Fi...

Re: Reddit's top user leaves platform after harassment

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Post by as1mov » Thu, May 21, 2020, 4:44 PM UTC

1024core wrote: post #92

Reddit just hasn't scaled well, and it looks like the operators of Reddit have no interest in scaling it properly. Case in point: the moderation system. Now, if you're passionate about some niche topic, and create a sub for it and become the moderator, then fine; you rock. Things work well for you and your subscribers. But if you're a sub of a large interest area (say, the country of India). How do you moderate there…

If anyone wants an example of the kind of moderation that goes in r/India, any comment just referencing the moderators is removed automatically by the automod. Any criticism of the subreddit is not tolerated at all. (This was told to me by a moderator of the sub, as I know them IRL)

Re: Reddit's top user leaves platform after harassment

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Post by thejynxed » Thu, May 21, 2020, 4:46 PM UTC

notatoad wrote: post #237

bredren wrote: post #15

I am a freshman moderator of /r/portland. I had thought working as a moderator would be a great way to help grow the subreddit's base. Offer more useful real world interaction points and basically have a big impact on Portland. Instead what I've found is that 99% of the time the moderators are dealing with bad actors and that has to be the primary focus to keep the sub from falling apart. It isn't just dealing with t…

>While there are things Reddit can be doing to help one thing reddit could be doing to help is to stop relying on community moderators for so much. volunteer community moderators shouldn't be dealing with people abusing the reddit platform, that should be the job of reddit's staff. Instead of just building tools, reddit should be actively involved in the enforcement of platform rules to handle these cases, and leave…

Nobody needs a karma-whoring, reposting, content thieving, paid shill like gallowboob anywhere. He's probably the worst example you could have chosen.

Re: Reddit's top user leaves platform after harassment

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Post by notatoad » Thu, May 21, 2020, 4:46 PM UTC

thebouv wrote: post #5

So, I don't get it. Why does it matter if a few volunteer mods manage a ton of subs? Isn't it hard to do? So they have a hard job? And it's volunteer? And .. what? I don't understand the outrage directed at mods I guess. Note: I'm a light Reddit user. I follow a handful of subs. And I can't name a single mod of any of them. Maybe this is more meaningful for people who spend more time on the site and are more involved…

the argument against any real oversight in how a subreddit is run or an appeal procedure for moderator decisions is that if you don't like the rules, you can find a similarly-themed subreddit to participate in. When all the subreddits are run by the same couple of people, if you disagree with the mods you have no recourse other than to leave the site.

Re: Reddit's top user leaves platform after harassment

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, May 21, 2020, 4:47 PM UTC

Supermancho wrote: post #113

elliekelly wrote: post #58

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Calling someone with PTSD “weak” is exactly how society brushed aside soldiers and child abuse survivors with PTSD for decades.

> I'm so sick of people on the internet saying they have PTSD > Calling someone with PTSD “weak” That's a nonsequitor derail. The post you are responding to is about faux self-diagnosis.

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