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Re: The FBI tracking your browsing history without a warrant might be the beginning

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Post by tenebrisalietum »

> law enforcement agencies such as the FBI and CIA can continue to look through the browsing history of American citizens without the need for a warrant.

I'm always curious what the heck does this mean exactly.

- Do they seize your computer and literally copy the browser history from any/all installed browsers?

- Do they ask your ISP to pipe DNS requests from your IP to them?

- Do they wiretap your line or cellular connection and basically do a `tshark $SUSPECT_WAN_IFACE | grep HTTP > browsing-history.txt`?

- Is this really a request to Google or other FAANG company for activity history on those platforms?

What does "look through browsing history" even mean?

Re: The FBI tracking your browsing history without a warrant might be the beginning

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Post by Ancalagon »

Jah6Aihe wrote: post #9

Here is what I do myself to avoid surveillance culture, in case anyone find it useful. 1. I always use local apps rather than webservices if possible. I use only free software, built from source, to be sure there's no tracker in it (I would love to find a way to whitelist which apps can access the network, but I haven't found a way for that yet). There's almost always a way to perform a task locally. 2. I have a copy…

Props to you for being so privacy-minded. I'd like to have such foresight but these habits seem so time-consuming I think I'd rather just not use the web again.

Re: The FBI tracking your browsing history without a warrant might be the beginning

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Post by shadowgovt »

duxup wrote: post #31
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #10

So the US, with its Constitution protecting the people from its Government, is allowing this whilst also considering Edward Snowden a traitor? It seems something has shifted 180 degrees since WW2, and the US Government has quietly won the game where the goal was to shit on the entirety of the history upon which it was built whilst, at precisely the same time, pointing to the Constitution as the reason why "America is…

>China isn't pretending to be free. What does a sentiment like this even mean? Take a look at China's own propaganda, they very much celebrate their idea of what freedoms their citizens have.

Hell, if you talk to Chinese citizens, they don't seem to generally claim they aren't free. Even if the conversation happens in confidence where they aren't concerned about the government hearing their opinion.

Re: The FBI tracking your browsing history without a warrant might be the beginning

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Post by coronadisaster »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #10

So the US, with its Constitution protecting the people from its Government, is allowing this whilst also considering Edward Snowden a traitor? It seems something has shifted 180 degrees since WW2, and the US Government has quietly won the game where the goal was to shit on the entirety of the history upon which it was built whilst, at precisely the same time, pointing to the Constitution as the reason why "America is…

And the police killed nearly 6,000 people in the U.S. since 2015, without due process: https://github.com/washingtonpost/data-police-shootings/blob... (that equals to about 3 per day, I am surprised that I don't hear more about them)

Re: The FBI tracking your browsing history without a warrant might be the beginning

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Post by shadowgovt »

ravenstine wrote: post #16
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #10

So the US, with its Constitution protecting the people from its Government, is allowing this whilst also considering Edward Snowden a traitor? It seems something has shifted 180 degrees since WW2, and the US Government has quietly won the game where the goal was to shit on the entirety of the history upon which it was built whilst, at precisely the same time, pointing to the Constitution as the reason why "America is…

America has been over for a very long time. I know I'll get downvoted for saying this, but this is something that more people need to hear because the fact they can vote affords citizens the cognitive dissonance they need to believe the propaganda they were taught about the US federal government. I'd still choose America over China any day, but that doesn't mean I think the United States is a free country; it's a fre…

"America has been over" is a statement that needs qualifiers to have meaning. "America" means different things to different people.

Re: The FBI tracking your browsing history without a warrant might be the beginning

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Post by hi5eyes »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #10

So the US, with its Constitution protecting the people from its Government, is allowing this whilst also considering Edward Snowden a traitor? It seems something has shifted 180 degrees since WW2, and the US Government has quietly won the game where the goal was to shit on the entirety of the history upon which it was built whilst, at precisely the same time, pointing to the Constitution as the reason why "America is…

incarceration rate of the United States of America is one of the highest in the world

i love the “freedom” meme for america

Re: The FBI tracking your browsing history without a warrant might be the beginning

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Post by wchar_t »

nabnob wrote: post #44
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #10

So the US, with its Constitution protecting the people from its Government, is allowing this whilst also considering Edward Snowden a traitor? It seems something has shifted 180 degrees since WW2, and the US Government has quietly won the game where the goal was to shit on the entirety of the history upon which it was built whilst, at precisely the same time, pointing to the Constitution as the reason why "America is…

Let's not act like the United States was a shining example of freedom and democracy before WWII, either. Slavery, destroying indigenous people and taking their land, followed by oppressive laws targeting black and indigenous people... Liberal democracy is definitely a step forward from monarchy, but the freedoms it offers have always been built on the oppression of many. It's no surprise that the oppressive arm of im…

Not to mention how "imbeciles", African Americans, and other "misfits" were forcibly sterilized in the years after 1900.

Re: The FBI tracking your browsing history without a warrant might be the beginning

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Post by shadowgovt »

komali2 wrote: post #20
RobRivera wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>you're fucked I'm sorry but any anecdotal spinning of history and current events supporting a bold claim about the downfall of western society is just outright non scientific, immeasurable, and quite frankly below educated discourse. Now if you have a thesis about the sunset of western hegemony backed by reduced gdp numbers, geopolitical influence, and crime stats, thats a more worthwhile discussion. Call me old fas…

I'm not sure what GDP, geopolitical influence, or crime stats have to do with a theory that the values set down in the Constitution are degrading.

Did "you're fucked" mean the Constitution is degrading?

That's, I believe, parent poster's point; without qualifiers, there's no conversation to be had on the topic. Because that is the dichotomy of early 21st-century America: objective measures of "how the country's doing" are at odds with subjective concepts like "Are we free?" You have to start by even coming to agreement that less "freedom" (and one should probably qualify that---freedom from what, freedom to do what) for more GDP, more safety, more prosperity is a bad thing.

Re: The FBI tracking your browsing history without a warrant might be the beginning

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Post by wchar_t »

hi5eyes wrote: post #56
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #10

So the US, with its Constitution protecting the people from its Government, is allowing this whilst also considering Edward Snowden a traitor? It seems something has shifted 180 degrees since WW2, and the US Government has quietly won the game where the goal was to shit on the entirety of the history upon which it was built whilst, at precisely the same time, pointing to the Constitution as the reason why "America is…

incarceration rate of the United States of America is one of the highest in the world i love the “freedom” meme for america

But criminals still need to be imprisoned, free country or no.

Re: The FBI tracking your browsing history without a warrant might be the beginning

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Post by shadowgovt »

wchar_t wrote: post #59
hi5eyes wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

incarceration rate of the United States of America is one of the highest in the world i love the “freedom” meme for america

But criminals still need to be imprisoned, free country or no.

One would think a country that was, for want of a more specific term, "doing it right" would have fewer criminals.

That the US has so much incarceration per-capita suggests something ain't working, if we respect freedom on paper but have to deprive more citizens of it than any other nation.

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