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Re: Reddit's top user leaves platform after harassment

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Relationship Advice lead-ish mod here. We were one of the subs "called out" as being controlled by Gallowboob with the original post and subsequent reposts. We (buu700 and I) added Gallowboob some years back largely to have insight into how other teams modded their subs at a time when we were growing quickly and needed to know what to do to keep up. While useful in meeting that goal, we quickly realized it was pretty…

>how meaninglessly violent people become when their posts are modded Maybe if mods were more transparent across all the subs. Most people get angry when someone removes their post and yet they see it reposted and approved hours or even minutes later (Gallowboob is infamous for that but regular users do it too)

> Maybe if mods were more transparent across all the subs.

We're (r/relationship_advice) rarely transparent with removal reasons. Our templatized removal reasons generally look something like this:

> u/[user], please message the mods:

> 1. to find out why this post was removed, and

> 2. prior to posting any updates.

> Thanks.

or

> User was banned for this [submission/comment].

The reason is because we have a high population of people who:

1. post too much information and expose themselves to doxxing risks, and

2. post fantasies that never happened.

So in order to protect the people who inadvertently post too much information, we tend to remove these posts using the same generic removal template. However, if people know that the post was pulled for one of these two reasons, the submitter may still end up on the receiving end of harassment as a result, meaning we have to fuzz the possibility of the removal being for one of these two reasons by much more broadly withholding removal reasons.

This is specific to r/relationship_advice. Other subreddits have other procedures.

Re: Reddit's top user leaves platform after harassment

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So, I don't get it. Why does it matter if a few volunteer mods manage a ton of subs? Isn't it hard to do? So they have a hard job? And it's volunteer? And .. what? I don't understand the outrage directed at mods I guess. Note: I'm a light Reddit user. I follow a handful of subs. And I can't name a single mod of any of them. Maybe this is more meaningful for people who spend more time on the site and are more involved…

It's not that innocent. There are numerous examples of subs being taken over in order to push political agenda. Two notable ones are r/canada, which has been taken over by white supremacists who push alt-right ideology, and long ago r/atheism was taken over by convincing the admins to oust the top mod on a technicality. In the r/atheism case the new mods had their own ideas about what sort of content should be posted and banned and silenced anyone who dissented. The majority of the people were very upset and didn't agree with these changes, but after seeing people drop like flies with the bans people either got scared into submission or left.

A bunch of these famous mods are part of a private sub where they discuss their pet theories on how to manipulate people, and on what sort of content merits being allowed to rise. They are explicitly against what they deem "low value" even if "low value" comments and posts are popular. Of course, it's pretty easy to define low value as anything you don't like, and you start to see the problem.

Re: Reddit's top user leaves platform after harassment

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Relationship Advice lead-ish mod here. We were one of the subs "called out" as being controlled by Gallowboob with the original post and subsequent reposts. We (buu700 and I) added Gallowboob some years back largely to have insight into how other teams modded their subs at a time when we were growing quickly and needed to know what to do to keep up. While useful in meeting that goal, we quickly realized it was pretty…

As someone who was mentally and physically abused as a child, I'm so sick of people on the internet saying they have PTSD from mean comments that they can ignore and escape from. You cannot escape abuse from someone that is supposed to be protecting you in childhood. You cannot escape from the trauma of war when you sign up or are conscripted to be a soldier. You cannot escape the horror of death being an EMT. Seeing…

Negative social judgements, death threats and attempts at doxxing and property damage is a heavy burden when you know (or believe) it to be coming from real people that you can't control and who are unpredictable. It is a reasonably similar tactic to torture. The increased perception of danger grows your amygdala and it doesn't ever shrink again, it's something you have to know how to deal with now. If you didn't before it can be traumatic.

Watching ones you love die is terrible but it can also bring about a sense of peace. Being actively predated on is no fun. I have also seen mental and physical abuse as a child, fwiw.

Re: Reddit's top user leaves platform after harassment

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> Why do you free work for a for-profit social network They don't. They do the work for a community they're part of. The social network hosts that community, and tries to make a profit doing so. I organise a meetup that's held in a pub (well, not at the moment). People coming to the meetup spend money on the pub's beer and pizza. Am i doing free work for a for-profit public house?

Yes you are. Social organizers, advertisers, trend setters, ect frequently get free product, kickbacks or some money for their 'work'. That's the work you have done. It's not your intent to do work and it's probably not the pub owners desire to pay for meetup organizers, but regardless of your and the pub owner's intent, work has happened.

Is it not possible that the situation is a win-win for all parties and that all parties feel like they are well-compensated in terms of the value they've received, and that therefore no money actually needs to exchange hands?

You may as well ask why people volunteer their time at all.

Re: Reddit's top user leaves platform after harassment

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> Maybe if mods were more transparent across all the subs. Don't get me started. Particularly "muting" posts with auto-moderator (silently hiding them for others without notification/warning/explanation). It was originally created for spam control but is regularly abused for generic moderation. It needs more controls placed on it. To give a recent example, I wrote a long reply in /r/fitness's daily discussion but it…

> /r/politics has a huge dictionary of phases and idioms that result in auto muting. None of which are defined in their rules. This is true here on HN too. One such word that I’ve seen to cause comments get auto-killed is “m∗sturbation” (censored for obvious reasons), and I am sure there are others.

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Re: Reddit's top user leaves platform after harassment

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There are tons of examples of how 4chan routinely traced down individuals based on little evidence. For more recent examples see bellingcat.com it's amazing how far you can go with just open sources and a lot of determination. It also helps to have multiple people do the searching, if like a 100 people would trawl through your posting history here they could probably create a pretty detailed profile of you. For examp…

I wish TV show writers knew these things. It would be educative and more entertaining than the hacking stuff they write.

Mr. Robot's writers knew this.

Re: Reddit's top user leaves platform after harassment

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I am a freshman moderator of /r/portland. I had thought working as a moderator would be a great way to help grow the subreddit's base. Offer more useful real world interaction points and basically have a big impact on Portland. Instead what I've found is that 99% of the time the moderators are dealing with bad actors and that has to be the primary focus to keep the sub from falling apart. It isn't just dealing with t…

Hacker News suffers from the same problem. We have folks like dang (God bless him) manually dealing with assholes. Seems like we could solve these problems with technology, but here we are two decades into the 21st century and we still have humans cleaning the pools. I'd be interested to know if actual forum moderators think that we could solve the bad actor problem with algorithms...

Google, Facebook and Twitter are all trying moderation by algorithm.

See regular posts on this very forum about algorithms running amok, banning people without clear reasons, and accounts only becoming reinstated by being famous enough to get enough traction to get a human to review your false positive.

Re: Reddit's top user leaves platform after harassment

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Yes you are. Social organizers, advertisers, trend setters, ect frequently get free product, kickbacks or some money for their 'work'. That's the work you have done. It's not your intent to do work and it's probably not the pub owners desire to pay for meetup organizers, but regardless of your and the pub owner's intent, work has happened.

Is it not possible that the situation is a win-win for all parties and that all parties feel like they are well-compensated in terms of the value they've received, and that therefore no money actually needs to exchange hands? You may as well ask why people volunteer their time at all.

Hey I'm not saying money needs to change hands. I'm just pointing out it's work, like in the physics sense. Something valuable has happened, both in the business sense and social sense, but obviously the priority for parent poster is the socializing.

Benefitting from socializing is not worth the reddit moderator role is my opinion, under the psychological load they operate in.

Re: Reddit's top user leaves platform after harassment

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I downloaded Reddit Enhancement Suite and it has a feature that marks the cumulative amount of upvotes you've given a user when you see a post of theirs. It is absolutely eye-opening just how much content is posted by the same few dozens of usernames. GallowBoob is the most infamous but to focus on him would be a mistake. It's pretty clear to me that the vast majority of content on Reddit is heavily manipulated and a…

Someone should start a competing service then. My recommendation would be to have a "maximum karma" limit, at which point the account (mod or not) and all of its activity are deleted, and the owner has to sign up again and work their way back up from zero.

I think deletion would be counterproductive, but maybe a karma limit after which you no longer accrue any points.

Say it's arbitrarily 1000 points (or whatever makes sense, as long as it's low enough it can be earned after a medium term of active contributing, but high enough very new users will have to learn the ropes of the community in order to reach it). After you reach this, people can tell you're a good contributor, but you can't earn any more points. Anything you do from that point cannot be done solely to earn points, removing that part of the "game".

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