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Kiss Linux – A distribution with a focus on less is more

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Re: Kiss Linux – A distribution with a focus on less is more

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Post by pampa »

stargaz3r wrote: post #20
pampa wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This might seem like a limitation. But you can provide a base system with a toolchain & xorg with known dependencies and a limited set of packages (like a BSD base system). Then for every big and complex app clone that base system and build the app in a chroot/sandbox or container. That way you get the app and dont pollute the base system and uninstalling is just rm -rf On every distro uninstalling packages never rea…

>On every distro uninstalling packages never really reverts the system to its previous state, always leaves some junk behind. That's not true at all. See Nix package manager (and NixOS the distro).

nix is more like installing every package in its own chroot, with a few optimizations. not your starnard linux package manager

Re: Kiss Linux – A distribution with a focus on less is more

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Post by Kototama »

> Uses a package manager written in less than 1000 lines of POSIX sh (excluding blank lines and comments).

Enough to get 20 bugs :-). I wish there was a good standard alternative to bash (sh in this case) for shell programming.

Otherwise I like the spirit, it's a good match with collapse os ;-)

Re: Kiss Linux – A distribution with a focus on less is more

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Post by pampa »

Kototama wrote: post #22

> Uses a package manager written in less than 1000 lines of POSIX sh (excluding blank lines and comments). Enough to get 20 bugs :-). I wish there was a good standard alternative to bash (sh in this case) for shell programming. Otherwise I like the spirit, it's a good match with collapse os ;-)

> I wish there was a good standard alternative to bash (sh in this case) for shell programming.

There is perl! :)

Re: Kiss Linux – A distribution with a focus on less is more

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Post by unixhero »

danielscrubs wrote: post #13

I loved the idea (git everything!) until I read this: "How do I remove a package and all of its dependencies? [...] The package manager does not do recursive dependency removal on removal of a package. This error-prone automation will not be added to the package manager. "

Removal is something I've used checkinstall for in the past. Always worked perfectly.

Re: Kiss Linux – A distribution with a focus on less is more

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Post by throwaway8941 »

tluyben2 wrote: post #16
spacephysics wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Straight to the tribal, political realm. What do you expect to change? Should we say “Grandpa” instead? Should we try to include the experiences of everyone to a point where common sayings or one off phrases must be dissected for malicious intent? Come on

The reason why I must die lies in music and long toes; I simply do not comprehend many people anymore in these areas. When I was young, and yes, this is a while ago, we had real men and real women and I do understand that was way too binary but the pussyfooting around everything really goes way too far. That is me and as such I have to go before I do not understand anything anymore. I cannot believe people who want t…

You can always move to a more conservative society. I live right on the other side of the globe and look at what's happening in the US with its fifty genders and SJW harassment for using the word "he" as pure lunacy.

There are other, much more serious problems over here, of course.

Re: Kiss Linux – A distribution with a focus on less is more

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Post by tarruda »

Kototama wrote: post #22

> Uses a package manager written in less than 1000 lines of POSIX sh (excluding blank lines and comments). Enough to get 20 bugs :-). I wish there was a good standard alternative to bash (sh in this case) for shell programming. Otherwise I like the spirit, it's a good match with collapse os ;-)

For quite some time I've been using https://github.com/tarruda/python-ush on personal scripts and it is working very well. If you like python, I recommend giving it a try :)

Re: Kiss Linux – A distribution with a focus on less is more

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Post by tluyben2 »

throwaway8941 wrote: post #26
tluyben2 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason why I must die lies in music and long toes; I simply do not comprehend many people anymore in these areas. When I was young, and yes, this is a while ago, we had real men and real women and I do understand that was way too binary but the pussyfooting around everything really goes way too far. That is me and as such I have to go before I do not understand anything anymore. I cannot believe people who want t…

You can always move to a more conservative society. I live right on the other side of the globe and look at what's happening in the US with its fifty genders and SJW harassment for using the word "he" as pure lunacy. There are other, much more serious problems over here, of course.

I live in Portugal (moved from Spain) and yes, that is true on both counts. I find it difficult to live with people who get upset over everything though. I would would say 'grow a pair' but that would not be correct... My grandfather says 'if you survived through a real war you would not care about this crap', but that would not be correct (and I think that's a bit over the top, but he survived 2 world wars)...

Re: Kiss Linux – A distribution with a focus on less is more

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Post by rwnspace »

Kototama wrote: post #22

> Uses a package manager written in less than 1000 lines of POSIX sh (excluding blank lines and comments). Enough to get 20 bugs :-). I wish there was a good standard alternative to bash (sh in this case) for shell programming. Otherwise I like the spirit, it's a good match with collapse os ;-)

Could you explain more re: bugs? Dylan Araps sort of specialises in well-written (ba)sh and iirc uses shellcheck meticulously. I ask not to be combative in case you're just making a casual joke - more I'd like understand how bugs might creep in to (ba)sh code - even if say, one follows shellcheck and is as competent as Dylan.

Re: Kiss Linux – A distribution with a focus on less is more

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Post by Kototama »

rwnspace wrote: post #29
Kototama wrote: post #22

> Uses a package manager written in less than 1000 lines of POSIX sh (excluding blank lines and comments). Enough to get 20 bugs :-). I wish there was a good standard alternative to bash (sh in this case) for shell programming. Otherwise I like the spirit, it's a good match with collapse os ;-)

Could you explain more re: bugs? Dylan Araps sort of specialises in well-written (ba)sh and iirc uses shellcheck meticulously. I ask not to be combative in case you're just making a casual joke - more I'd like understand how bugs might creep in to (ba)sh code - even if say, one follows shellcheck and is as competent as Dylan.

I saw that after posting. It's not a critic of Dylan's work, more a critic of how difficult it is to write good bash code. Your comment on shellcheck and Dylan expertise just confirm it. It's like C, you could write safe C but it's very difficult.

I wish there was a language with the ubiquity of Bash but modern and safe.

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