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The death of corporate research labs

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Re: The death of corporate research labs

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I have often found it baffling that tech giants, with near unlimited resources to fund all sorts of things, don't establish these kinds of labs. I'm aware that there are many things called something like "{Google, Facebook, Twitter, ...} Labs" but from what I understand they are significantly different from the corporate research labs of old.

Google Research is a thing. It’s even cited in the article as a positive example.

https://research.google/

Re: The death of corporate research labs

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Why would ad companies need research labs?

There are so many reasons, but the main reason is despite making their money from ads, they are not only ad companies, they have many products.

Even disregarding the product reasons, research often makes these companies look good to both a technical audience and sometimes to politicians who value "innovation".

Re: The death of corporate research labs

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I have often found it baffling that tech giants, with near unlimited resources to fund all sorts of things, don't establish these kinds of labs. I'm aware that there are many things called something like "{Google, Facebook, Twitter, ...} Labs" but from what I understand they are significantly different from the corporate research labs of old.

Why would that be a better arrangement than, say, universities?

The main issue with corporate research is that it's not easy for them to capture the output; it very quickly leaks into the public domain, despite patents. So why bother?

Re: The death of corporate research labs

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I am curious what the author thinks about the same problem in pharma/biotech.

On the one hand, they are kind of _forced_ to do research in one form or another to power the pipelines, so clearly corporate research is still alive there.

However, given the pathetic track record the industry seems to hace, and arguably complete lack of any real innovation (almost all of the drugs in most pipelines are just antibodies or their variants), some form of corporate research rot seems evident here as well.

One problem I see often on pharma side is that it's revealing when the CEO of the org is not a technical person. GSK recruited the CEO of L'oreal as its new CEO. TBH I can't for the life of me figure out how someone who sold lipsticks can make decisions on which preclinical trial has the highest chance of success in a human being. If the CEO of a company is not fundamentally versed in the fundamental technology they make can the company actually be successful?

Re: The death of corporate research labs

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The challenge is that companies have poor track records of determining what the market will want, so how can you know what to research unless it is a better version of what you already do?

Companies like Intel and Nvidia and the pharma companies do that kind of research because you can reasonably guarantee that someone will want a faster chip or a better cure for a disease.

But beyond that, what does the market want next? If you can answer that, you can operate a lab. If you can't, then you are just blindly stumbling around. University research is probably also a heck of a lot cheaper as people will work for a lot less if they get a degree at the end of it.

I think they would be better off creating a prize system for problems they want to solve (the return on investment for XPrize is amazing) and letting the university researchers figure it out.

Re: The death of corporate research labs

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The corporate research labs have been replaced with the likes of DeepMind (hell bent on doing research only in neural networks) and Google X (personal playground of the company's founder with no known scientific or business output). The fact that big tech does not invest in basic research anymore does not bode well for the future of big tech.

Re: The death of corporate research labs

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post #7

I have often found it baffling that tech giants, with near unlimited resources to fund all sorts of things, don't establish these kinds of labs. I'm aware that there are many things called something like "{Google, Facebook, Twitter, ...} Labs" but from what I understand they are significantly different from the corporate research labs of old.

Microsoft Research is a notable exception

Also Mozilla Research

Re: The death of corporate research labs

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post #4

I have often found it baffling that tech giants, with near unlimited resources to fund all sorts of things, don't establish these kinds of labs. I'm aware that there are many things called something like "{Google, Facebook, Twitter, ...} Labs" but from what I understand they are significantly different from the corporate research labs of old.

"Fail fast" is not conducive to good research. It takes persistence in the face of failure.

Facebook Research makes real strides in many areas.

Disclaimer: I work at FB, but my employment there does not change my opinion. I worked at Uber and my opinion of Uber's "research" was different ;)

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