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I wish there was a good way to sing together over videochat. The lag makes it impossible--if you've tried singing Happy birthday to someone over Zoom, you've probably noticed that it's the worst! Everyone tries to adjust to everyone else's lag and it just makes everyone even more and more out of time with each other.
Then how is Smule possible?
Ask HN: any hackerlike ways to train your singing when alone with no feedback? I will try to search algolia and come back to you with my research
* commit to the notes you're singing: singing tentatively makes it harder to evaluate yourself
* sing along with a recording and emulate the singer--every ornament, every nuance in timing--you can find your own voice (so to speak) once you know what you're doing
* repeat a song or even chorus or line over and over, especially singing along with a recording
* record yourself: everyone hates doing this, but again, it's much easier to evaluate what you're doing
* if you're having trouble with a specific line, find the notes on an instrument and sing along (though make sure you're not just locked in to fixed pitches--a lot of the beauty of great singing is exploiting the marvelous glissando capabilities of the human voice)
* drink water and don't hurt yourself
Shame poorer inner city dwellers all live in close proximity with thin walls or shared accommodation. Singing is almost impossible in those circumstances without annoying a neighbor. My last tenancy agreement had specific references to playing any music instruments / singing practice.
Singing at a normal indoor volume is fine even in apartments. Maybe you can't belt music out at the top of your lungs but despite the lease agreement no city will allow the enforcement of a rule that no singing at all is allowed in apartments.
So I think singing should be fine legally speaking unless you live somewhere with a lot stricter limits, especially during the day. It's a good idea to check with neighbors though. Often they won't mind if you do it as long as you avoid certain times or certain rooms. That's how we (sort of) resolved things with our student friends... and thankfully we moved out of there pre-quarantine :)
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There's something weird here though. I reckon more 4 or 5 ms of latenecy is enough to put me off playing something in time (this is about what you aim for using DAWs to record music) and yet if you just think about playing a piano, the player's ear is about 1m from where the sound is generated. The speed of sound in air is ~300m/s so there's 3 ms of delay right there, even if the hammer mechanism is instantaneous, an…
I'm an organist. The organ console is often placed quite some distance from the pipes—especially in the instance of remote divisions such as antiphonal stops (placed at the back of the sanctuary). In addition to distance, the mechanism of the instrument itself introduces a bit of lag. It's something that you just get used to. Choral and orchestral musicians also often deal with these sorts of issues: sometimes they h…
I wish there was a good way to sing together over videochat. The lag makes it impossible--if you've tried singing Happy birthday to someone over Zoom, you've probably noticed that it's the worst! Everyone tries to adjust to everyone else's lag and it just makes everyone even more and more out of time with each other.
It is incredible how even minuscule delays can be heard. I first laughed about calibrating sound systems with microphones to compensate for different cable lengths until a sound engineer let me listen to the differences. He could hear if a box had a delay about 2-3ms. Quite hard requirements.
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But I could play either Jerry Lee Lewis style, arms length from the keyboard with my head back, or Glenn Gould style, hunched over the keyboard and my head moves a metre between the two. So that's around the 3ms threshold where I (and the sound engineer above) claim to be able to detect delays, and yet I don't think I'd notice a delay between those two playing positions
Your brain is very good at compensating for noise and delay in a feedback loop it controls so it's hard to say one way or another. Maybe it feels like a difference in expression instead of a change in delay? A better experiment would be to, like, hm... let's say you're standing a few meters from a metronome and a musician playing to it. If the musician is close to the metronome, you will hear their playing on beat. T…
> Singing is the most accessible stress reliever Not where I live in an apartment in a crowded city where the culture is to not bother others. Neighbors would not be happy to hear me sing no matter how good am, any more then they are happy to hear my stereo. When I commuted to work in a car I had 30 to 60 minutes of singing time each way. Now I have karaoke box 3 - 4 times a year.
I don't consider it reasonable to expect such level of silence from neighbors that normal singing volume levels would exceed it.
Plus, therapeutic levels for singing probably require something louder than mezzo piano.
Shame poorer inner city dwellers all live in close proximity with thin walls or shared accommodation. Singing is almost impossible in those circumstances without annoying a neighbor. My last tenancy agreement had specific references to playing any music instruments / singing practice.
Singing at a normal indoor volume is fine even in apartments. Maybe you can't belt music out at the top of your lungs but despite the lease agreement no city will allow the enforcement of a rule that no singing at all is allowed in apartments.
That really depends on what kind of music you like to sing