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Re: Termux and Android 10

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Android is not actual Linux?

Given that you guys don't list Linux APIs as something that one can count on as stable NDKs APIs, require us to manually write JNI wrappers to access 90% of OS features, no not really. It could be running BSD or Windows and we would hardly notice.

Was waiting for the first "No True Scotsman" definition of what precisely Linux is.

Guess we better get rid of the hardware abstraction layer for your majesty, too, then?

Re: Termux and Android 10

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Basically I'm using Firefox, K9 for email, WhatsApp and Telegram to chat with friends, OSMAnd to plan and record bicycle tracks. Phone and camera. Plus mandatory banking apps or I won't be able to do home banking. If I buy a Linux phone I'd have to keep using my Android phone probably as my primary device. And I've been using Ubuntu laptops as my only working devices since 2009 so I'd love to use an Ubuntu phone. Unf…

Does your bank have a web interface?

I have more than one bank. Work and personal and separation of risk. Of course they have a web interface but almost all of them also need their app for two factor authentication and authorization. The EU directive of about one year ago.

Only one of them lets me still use a hardware key but they won't replace it when it will run out of battery.

Re: Termux and Android 10

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Basically I'm using Firefox, K9 for email, WhatsApp and Telegram to chat with friends, OSMAnd to plan and record bicycle tracks. Phone and camera. Plus mandatory banking apps or I won't be able to do home banking. If I buy a Linux phone I'd have to keep using my Android phone probably as my primary device. And I've been using Ubuntu laptops as my only working devices since 2009 so I'd love to use an Ubuntu phone. Unf…

The one app among those you list that will always need a stock Android install is your home banking app. Everything else is either open (including Telegram) or will most likely be runnable in Anbox, which is a high priority for all Linux-on-mobile projects.

I didn't knew about Anbox. From their FAQ at https://anbox.io/

> The initial proof-of-concept was done on an Ubuntu Touch based device. Since then Anbox has evolved quite a bit, making desktop devices its main development focus. However, recent experiments show that Anbox still runs fine (with a few tweaks and lifted confinement because of older kernel versions) on mobile devices based on Ubuntu Touch.

and the link to Ubuntu Touch is

> 410: Page deleted. Ubuntu for mobile is no longer supported

as we all know. I guess other companies could be working to make Anbox run on their hardware but I'm not expecting anything in a short time. However I could use Anbox on my desktop for a few apps.

Re: Termux and Android 10

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The only "real" solution is to get an actual Linux phone, such as the PinePhone[1] or Librem 5[2]. 1 - https://www.pine64.org/pinephone 2 - https://puri.sm/products/librem-5

But you pay 750$ for a 3GB quad core phone; I've got these specs on a 300€ OnePlus One five (six?) years ago. Sure, replaceable battery and open hardware are a _very_ good thing, but the value/$ of these phones are horrendous. That's not to defend OnePlus or any other manufacturer, but when I can get a high end Samsung or Xiaomi device with 4 times the specs at every corner for the same price or less and simply insta…

> Sure, replaceable battery and open hardware are a _very_ good thing

No mention of the headphone jack, how sad

Re: Termux and Android 10

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I'm really starting to despise most OS's for having such an overbearing security policy. I think it's really why I've stuck with Windows for so long. For sure Windows is not as user-stupid as something like macOS, iOS, Android, etc... but for me as a power user it's just about as powerful as I need to be. I'm not even considering *nix distros here because honestly the market for every day users for something like Ubu…

> I hate that macOS is starting to go the iOS route of only letting me run applications that are Apple certified. No, I do not want to open system preferences every time I want to launch something. I am a power user. Yeah, such a power user that you can't use any one of the easy, documented ways to deal with that? You're not exactly helping your case here. > Put it behind some shell command or something... but have i…

> But for the time being macOS remains 100% modifiable for an actual genuine power user.

Please, anyone, tell me how I can disable the animation for switching between spaces. As far as I know, that isn't possible.

Re: Termux and Android 10

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post #280

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Given that you guys don't list Linux APIs as something that one can count on as stable NDKs APIs, require us to manually write JNI wrappers to access 90% of OS features, no not really. It could be running BSD or Windows and we would hardly notice.

Was waiting for the first "No True Scotsman" definition of what precisely Linux is. Guess we better get rid of the hardware abstraction layer for your majesty, too, then?

Depends how much the Chocolate Factory Oompa-Loompas are willing to actually offer a C and C++ development environment comparable to other GNU/Linux variants.

Better ask Willy Wonka if it is ok to do so, and by Android 20 we might eventually get it, if it takes as much as sorting out header files, build tools, native dependencies, gcc and clang support and finally listening to game developers as presented at GDC 2020.

Re: Termux and Android 10

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These days the only application that is important for a non-computer folks is the browser, and Ubuntu can run Firefox just fine, it's easy to launch and turn off. In my experience, the perception that Linux is somehow 'hard' is just not true, deeply rooted in 2002 or something. Things have changed so much, and whatever kids are taught in school is not that big of a problem anymore.

You quite right, if you only browse the Internet then using Firefox will suffice. Problems tend to start when you editing documents and sharing them with people on Windows computers. Yes I know LibreOffice can edit MS Office documents but the inconsistencies in formatting tend to add up especially for novice users.

The key here is simply to stop caring about MS office documents, and use open standardized format for information exchane. That is, OpenDocument, a native format of LibreOffice, which is available on any platform out there.

My company never ever sent out a single file on MS Office format since it was founded in 2007, and I assure you that business can work just fine without ever using .doc(x) / .xls(x) files.

Re: Termux and Android 10

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post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was waiting for the first "No True Scotsman" definition of what precisely Linux is. Guess we better get rid of the hardware abstraction layer for your majesty, too, then?

Depends how much the Chocolate Factory Oompa-Loompas are willing to actually offer a C and C++ development environment comparable to other GNU/Linux variants. Better ask Willy Wonka if it is ok to do so, and by Android 20 we might eventually get it, if it takes as much as sorting out header files, build tools, native dependencies, gcc and clang support and finally listening to game developers as presented at GDC 2020…

> game developers as presented at GDC 2020.

Link? Otherwise it's hard to take full time HN armchair commenters seriously.

Re: Termux and Android 10

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post #86

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But you pay 750$ for a 3GB quad core phone; I've got these specs on a 300€ OnePlus One five (six?) years ago. Sure, replaceable battery and open hardware are a _very_ good thing, but the value/$ of these phones are horrendous. That's not to defend OnePlus or any other manufacturer, but when I can get a high end Samsung or Xiaomi device with 4 times the specs at every corner for the same price or less and simply insta…

Why it costs so much: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21714352 "First hardware kill switches; first replaceable cellular modem and Wi-Fi/ Bluetooth (on M.2 cards); first smart card reader (for 2FF OpenPGP card); first running 100% free software; only current phone to offer convergence as PC without special hardware" “It's also one of the few phones to have hardware baseband isolation - making you immune to IMSI…

In addition, because all software is free, "Respects Your Freedom" certification [0] from Free Software Foundation is expected [1]. Tentative recommendation has been given [2].

[0] https://fsf.org/ryf

[1] https://www.fsf.org/free-software-supporter/2019/october

[2] https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/ethical-tech-giving-guid...

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