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Re: Ask HN: “Git” for Microsoft Office?

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post #43

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This feature now built into Word, and has been for some time. see my other comment in this thread.

Sure, it's probably better to use that if you don't mind that. I am big on plain-text files and Git and sometimes I have to bend reality a little bit in order to keep working my way when others won't. This is one of those cases.

I wasn't dissing yours - Sorry if it came across that way!

Re: Ask HN: “Git” for Microsoft Office?

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post #58
post #44

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This looks very interesting but I doubt large enterprises will allow it considering the online nature and the inability to secure confidential work on internally hosted systems.

That's my reaction too - most people here are somewhat jealous of their "ownership rights" over this or that document, since this often define their actual roles. It looks like Fluid is trying to "share everything" and that's too much. I'd be happier with something that simply allows me to have a github-like workflow where I can propose and justify changes to this or that block of document, and an owner can sanction…

> can propose and justify changes to this or that block of document, and an owner can sanction and merge

This is called 'Tracked Changes' and 'Comments' in Word. Under the Review ribbon.

Here's the How-To: https://support.office.com/en-gb/article/track-changes-in-wo...

Re: Ask HN: “Git” for Microsoft Office?

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post #35

Nongeeks haven't been living with this. They (mostly lawyers) use document management version control systems like iManage ( https://imanage.com/product/document-email-management/ ) and professional comparison software like Workshare Compare https://www.litera.com/products/legal/workshare-compare/ (orders of magnitude better than tracked changes in Word though Word has gotten better over the years).

This is the sort of answer I was hoping for. Workshare-Compare looks pretty cool (if not cheap).

Re: Ask HN: “Git” for Microsoft Office?

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, it's probably better to use that if you don't mind that. I am big on plain-text files and Git and sometimes I have to bend reality a little bit in order to keep working my way when others won't. This is one of those cases.

I wasn't dissing yours - Sorry if it came across that way!

No worries at all! :-)

Re: Ask HN: “Git” for Microsoft Office?

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post #28
post #20

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Docx & co are XML based, but they are _zipped_, therefore binary. Which make a version control pretty much impossible.

I never try, but I thought you just need to rename the .docx/.xlsx/.pptx to .zip, unpack them then do the version control on that files?

That works. It's clumsy, but can be automated.

Re: Ask HN: “Git” for Microsoft Office?

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For MS Access files there exists a project ([1], last activity in 2018) which basically splits the file into its components (like forms, queries, macros etc.) which you can then check into your VCS. This way, single versions of an MS-Access-file are diffable to previous versions and you can track exactly what has been done... in a developer fashioned way, though.

If you would need an exact version, you can build this version out of its components of that version.

[1] https://github.com/timabell/msaccess-vcs-integration/

Re: Ask HN: “Git” for Microsoft Office?

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post #62
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's my reaction too - most people here are somewhat jealous of their "ownership rights" over this or that document, since this often define their actual roles. It looks like Fluid is trying to "share everything" and that's too much. I'd be happier with something that simply allows me to have a github-like workflow where I can propose and justify changes to this or that block of document, and an owner can sanction…

> can propose and justify changes to this or that block of document, and an owner can sanction and merge This is called 'Tracked Changes' and 'Comments' in Word. Under the Review ribbon. Here's the How-To: https://support.office.com/en-gb/article/track-changes-in-wo...

I've tried the equivalent feature in Powerpoint and I'm not impressed. I gave permission to edit to a colleague (it's either that or readonly, as far as I can see in SP), let her change it, then looked at the document again. "Show changes" lasted a few seconds and then disappeared, never to return. And I guess the Compare items will only come up if you have a different file? Just opening the same file from SP, they are all greyed out...

Absolutely not comparable to a github experience, as far as I can see.

Re: Ask HN: “Git” for Microsoft Office?

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post #45

Takeover more power and then move people to markdown with a sleight of hand. I cannot cope with MS Office anymore. I was in finance 5 years, plenty of Excel work, when I open Excel today I am quickly reminded how painful it is and go back to Python.

I agree with you mostly, but Excel is still often a good choice for reporting. And with a package like xlwings, you can do it all from Python.

Python + Html is a better option for reporting

Re: Ask HN: “Git” for Microsoft Office?

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My wife is a laywer and she and her colleagues (and the other lawyers they are working with) pretty much base their workflow for revising documents on track changes. I've never heard her complain about it.

Maybe she is used to it? I have used track changes and it is good and all ... but it may not be exactly the same as being able to know where and when a change was done, by whom, and with the reasoning sometimes added with it that comes from VCSs like SVN and GIT.

I think that's the point - if you use these things expecting them to work like a revision control system for code you'll be disappointed and frustrated.

Meanwhile, people who have no such expectations cope perfectly well.

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