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Post by danso »

tomcam wrote: post #485
danso wrote: post #424

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's go to specifics. Alex Jones is facing a civil suit alleging that he defamed the families of Sandy Hook victims, the harm from which include harassment and death threats from Jones' followers [0]. When you say that Maddow's coverage of Russiagate is "literally" the same: what actual harm – both in layperson's terms and legally actionable – do you see as a consequence? Defamation? Who would be the aggrieved and t…

Calm down, Sparky! Perhaps you misread what I wrote. I did not bring up defamation at all. The term used was conspiracy theory. Rachel Maddow pushed a conspiracy theory. It was completely disproven by the FBI investigation. She pushed it for three years with literally not a shred of evidence.

Perhaps you misread the discussion, Goofus! Youtube didn’t ban Alex Jones for being wrong about something.

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Post by defen »

XMPPwocky wrote: post #325
2019-nCoV wrote: post #270

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Some women are uncomfortable sharing bathrooms with trans-women. Should we continue to dictate how these women should behave and feel?

We generally established that "I don't feel comfortable being around them" is not an excuse to discriminate back in the 60s. To clarify: would you argue that the existence of separate drinking fountains for white people and black people is justified because many white people feel uncomfortable drinking from the same fountain a black person has just used? If not, why not?

Isn't this an argument that there should be no bathroom segregation whatsoever? Why should women care if men use the same bathroom as them?

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Post by Helloworldboy »

voz_ wrote: post #259
busymom0 wrote: post #122

I agree with JRE leaving YouTube over the censorship but I disagree with him moving exclusively to spotify for following reasons: 1. Spotify was the one who conspired with Facebook, Apple and Google to ban Alex Jones and others. So if Joe is moving off of YouTube because he doesn't like the censorship, he's not getting anything better with Spotify. 2. Currently, Spotify doesn't have video (except album cover clips wh…

Banning Alex Jones is a good thing.

I guess if you like to be babysat by a giant corporation it is

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Post by ALittleLight »

GoofballJones wrote: post #283
busymom0 wrote: post #122

I agree with JRE leaving YouTube over the censorship but I disagree with him moving exclusively to spotify for following reasons: 1. Spotify was the one who conspired with Facebook, Apple and Google to ban Alex Jones and others. So if Joe is moving off of YouTube because he doesn't like the censorship, he's not getting anything better with Spotify. 2. Currently, Spotify doesn't have video (except album cover clips wh…

Alex Jones being kicked off those services isn't the same thing. He was spreading major misinformation and targeted harassment at innocent people that were involved in a tragedy. He wasn't "conspired" against. They just told him to go host his hate somewhere else. And stop with these "censorship" BS. Alex Jones has every right to start his own network if he wants and put anything on it. There's nothing stopping him f…

Alex Jones was banned from YouTube, Apple, Facebook, Twitter, and Spotify pretty much simultaneously and after years of successful use of each service. You can argue that the conspiracy to remove him from those platforms was a good thing, but I don't think it is reasonable to suggest that each of the platforms coincidentally decided to boot him at the same time. They clearly coordinated to ban him, they didn't coordinate in public, so I think it makes it quite clear he was actually conspired against.

It also strikes me as a bit disingenuous to suggest that because he can just go create his own Twitter or his own YouTube and host things there he wasn't censored. He technically could, but that doesn't change the impact of banning him from the major services. It seems as perfectly clear that they are censoring him as it is that the big tech companies conspired to do so. Again, you may argue that it is right to censor Jones - he is either a liar or crazy, but it makes no sense to argue that he wasn't censored.

I think in isolation, it would be better if Jones didn't share his opinions. But if I had to pick between realities, and in one Jones was free to spread his conspiracy theories, and in the other big companies get to decide what we can and cannot say online? Well, it's a pretty obvious choice for me.

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Post by mistermann »

willis936 wrote: post #472
quantummkv wrote: post #467

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> You know who else breaks norms? Alex Jones when he peddles lies and threatens lives for profit. He needs to play by society’s rules if he wants to play by society’s rules. Sounds like a average silicon valley person to me. Google, facebook, twitter, reddit, etc, all of them peddle lies and refuse to play be society's rules. Uber and Doordash are busy destroying local economies and social cohesion to turn a profit.…

What are you talking about? We’re talking about a person getting kicked off of platforms for breaking rules of society. What do companies have to do with anything? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_fallacy

> What are you talking about?

The "breaking of norms", from your comment.

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Post by perceptronas »

jccalhoun wrote: post #113

If this was a podcast that I listened to, I would be mad. I want podcasts to be in my podcast app. I listen to them mostly on my phone and I don't have spotify on my phone. I don't want to install and open a separate program just for one show. It also irritates me off when I see a podcast mentioned online and they only give an itunes link. I am an android user. Yes, most of the shows are in pocketcast's directory if…

What do you think if Spotify added "buy and download" button for specific podcast episodes?

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Post by chasebank »

threeseed wrote: post #426
chroma wrote: post #410

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You are conflating two forms of free speech: The right to freedom of speech enshrined in the constitution and the norm of free speech that we all tend to grant each other. Of course YouTube is a private company and can ban and delete whatever they want. But they are breaking a norm and the consequences of that may be worse than the consequences of letting us watch videos of crazy people. I've said it before and I'll…

> But they are breaking a norm Media companies selectively choosing what to publish has been the norm since forever. My local paper won't publish libellous comments I may write against a particular person whom I hold grudge against. And my local TV station wouldn't show a pornographic commercial that I thought would be hilarious to see. Private media companies ultimately answer to their advertisers and most of them s…

It would be more in line with your local library refusing to catalog your book. Youtube is a content host, not a publisher.

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Post by ALittleLight »

jimhi wrote: post #507
metrokoi wrote: post #497

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At the risk of sounding like a troll, I don't see anything in that link about Alex Jones threatening lives.

I think they are saying Alex Jones is responsible because his followers ended up stalking and harassing the victims parents. One could argue he never directly said to do that so it isn't his responsibility, but he also has a big platform.

By this logic Bernie Sanders endangered lives because one of his supporters shot Steve Scalise. To my knowledge Jones just said something like Sandy Hook was fake, which is clearly a bad thing to say, but it doesn't threaten people.

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Post by tcberry »

RaleyField wrote: post #459
UncleMeat wrote: post #453

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He took a topic that isn't inherently transphobic and added transphobia . He was rightly criticized for saying this.

You are choosing the most uncharitable reading which is not what he meant. How do I know that? Because, despite his meatheaddy appearances, he has consistently shown himself to not be transphobic, I watch his show. What he wanted to say is that her sex was biologically of male and that's why she has in this specific case unduly enormous advantage, to a degree that she is depriving others of fair chance at competing.

Whether or not trans athletes should be allowed to compete in the same classes as their cis counterparts in MMA is a conversation we can have, but it is beside the point. Trans women are women. If someone makes plainly transphobic comments, and then refuses to apologize for them (or even doubles down), I'm not going to go and listen to hundreds of hours of their content to attempt to gain a more nuanced understanding of their attitude towards the trans community. I'm just going to think of that person as a transphobe.

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Post by 2009guy »

So joe Rogan says it’s going to be the same show but at the bottom of the article they list a statement from Spotify saying that the show will be subject to community guidelines. Which means that if he says anything politically incorrect he will be gagged. This is the end of the joe rogan podcast as we know it, the cultural meme/institution. I feel a sense of loss.
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