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It's a lucrative business to be an entertainer masquerading as someone who is educated about 1000s different topics to his fans. He speaks whatever his fans want to hear so that their beliefs will be reinforced and will continue watching. Nothing more...nothing less.

I highly doubt many are convinced he's educated in any way about his topics lol. Some interviews are just entertaining.

Joe's whole bit as an interviewer is the curious kid asking dumb questions and getting interesting answers because he manages to get the people talking about what they are interested in.

Joe gets teased by a ton of people for his dumb questions or how he goes off-topics, including for his Alpha Brain pseudoscience pill. But it's not a big deal to the fans.

I really dislike this idea that humans are all dumb and take all information at face value. Like little propoganda machines. Everyone in the west is trained since childhood to look through marketing, sales people, politicians, etc for the real message and not believe anything you hear. This is no different.

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There’s no shortage of companies who value money more than morals. Those affected can host their sites with one of them.

All these cries of "censorship" misunderstand that what is happening is fundamentally a business decision. When Alex Jones gets pulled from Youtube, it's because he is effecting their business relationships and ability to make money.

Couldn't you make the same argument about gay couples in a small town rural restaurant?

But would it be morally right to ban those couples from a restaurant?

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We just don't have any evidence of that. Like I said in a previous post, we are in the second decade of this being allowed. Where are all the world class transgender athletes that are dominating men on a routine basis? People always point to the same 2 or 3 examples while acting like this is a widespread epidemic of men deciding to switch genders just to win athletic competitions. I don't think this is as big of a pr…

In track and field the 800m race is my favorite race because it's every bit training and determination as it is natural ability. Here are the results of the women's Olympic 800m championship in Rio in 2016: https://www.olympic.org/rio-2016/athletics/800m-women Here are the results of the 2016 Texas UIL 5A high school boys 800m championship in 2016: https://tx.milesplit.com/meets/224994/results/451208/formatt... If th…

In the women's 800m in Rio, the top 3 all had XY chromosomes and lived with high testosterone levels through puberty.

- Caster Semenya[1] (1st place). Here is an interview with her.[2]

- Francine Niyonsaba[3] (2nd place). Here is an interview with her.[4]

- Margaret Wambui[5] (3rd place). Here's an interview with her.[6]

I see a lot of people saying things like, "Where are all the world class transgender athletes that are dominating men on a routine basis?" Well they've failed to notice the intersex XY people who are dominating women's events.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caster_Semenya

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeQYdyDsioY&t=1m03s

3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francine_Niyonsaba

4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTC3B2sgYf4

5. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Wambui

6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpCPnTBAWF4

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> Alex Jones is riling people up on conspiracy theories that actively do harm in order to make money. This is literally what Rachel Maddow did with the Russia conspiracy nonsense.

Let's go to specifics. Alex Jones is facing a civil suit alleging that he defamed the families of Sandy Hook victims, the harm from which include harassment and death threats from Jones' followers [0]. When you say that Maddow's coverage of Russiagate is "literally" the same: what actual harm – both in layperson's terms and legally actionable – do you see as a consequence? Defamation? Who would be the aggrieved and t…

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Spotify is rolling out video podcasts. Clips like that will still make their way to YouTube and other platforms (as they announced). However, you are right that making it harder to find and listen to will shrink its audience even if more economically sustainable. It reminds me a lot of Howard Stern leaving radio for satellite.

Really? They might be able to legitimately compete with Youtube. I watch a lot of podcast clips on Youtube but would much rather view it ad-free on Spotify.

You can view YouTube ad-free by paying, just like Spotify.

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Alex Jones being kicked off those services isn't the same thing. He was spreading major misinformation and targeted harassment at innocent people that were involved in a tragedy. He wasn't "conspired" against. They just told him to go host his hate somewhere else. And stop with these "censorship" BS. Alex Jones has every right to start his own network if he wants and put anything on it. There's nothing stopping him f…

You are conflating two forms of free speech: The right to freedom of speech enshrined in the constitution and the norm of free speech that we all tend to grant each other. Of course YouTube is a private company and can ban and delete whatever they want. But they are breaking a norm and the consequences of that may be worse than the consequences of letting us watch videos of crazy people. I've said it before and I'll…

You know who else breaks norms? Alex Jones when he peddles lies and threatens lives for profit. He needs to play by society’s rules if he wants to play by society’s rules. You can’t just pick and choose which norms you’re entitled to. That’s called being an asshole and 10 times out of 10 you will be shown the door. There’s a reason no one cried over him getting the boot. It isn’t an indication of some chilling dystopia. It’s society operating as it should.

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You presumably also would be in favor of domain brokers restricting speech (correct me if I'm wrong). Does every controversial political speaker also need to host his or her own ICANN domain? Or should they just promote their speech entirely offline?

There’s no shortage of companies who value money more than morals. Those affected can host their sites with one of them.

Really? 8chan was unable to find any hosts for a very long time, and its future is still uncertain.

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What original formulations of freedom of speech do you refer to? edit: also, not sure if you lived through the 90s. But none of the examples you gave were off-limits for TV or radio.

John Milton in Areopagitica [1]: > Bad meats will scarce breed good nourishment in the healthiest concoction; but herein the difference is of bad books, that they to a discreet and judicious Reader serve in many respects to discover, to confute, to forewarn, and to illustrate. Thomas Paine's introduction to The Age of Reason [2]: > You will do me the justice to remember, that I have always strenuously supported the R…

Thanks for the reply and the specifics. I don't know much about free speech as it was conceptualized in the U.S. Constitution, so I'm cribbing from the Wikipedia page [0]. With respect to Milton and Mill, the Wikipedia entry actually cites each in arguing for free speech and for limits to rights, respectively:

- "[Milton] Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience, above all liberties" (Areopagitica)

- "[Wikipedia] Freedom of speech and expression, therefore, may not be recognized as being absolute...Justifications for such include the harm principle, proposed by John Stuart Mill in On Liberty, which suggests that: 'the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others.'"

I'm happy to defer to your knowledge of Milton and Mill if you think Wikipedia misquotes/decontextualizes the latter. That said, the reason why I prefer the U.S. Constitution as a starting point isn't just because of YouTube's location or because – as an American – that it's my default frame of reference. I prefer the First Amendment because unlike writings from Mill and Milton, it has actually been implemented as law in a successful government and society. You can dismiss the Constitution as a flawed document written by a bunch of connected white guys, but the fact is that – through original intent and living interpretation by the Supreme Court – it has weathered a far, far greater scope of human communication and freedom than Milton or Mill could ever imagine.

Putting aside personal preference, what's the justification for giving pre-Constitution philosophers greater or equal weight to the Constitution? Because they thought about things decades/centuries earlier? How were their thoughts proven in implementation, not just in their own time, but in all the epochs of societal and technological change since then?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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One of my favourite podcasts recently went exclusively to Spotify. Despite paying for premium I've stopped listening.

The podcast experience is awful on Spotify, by far the worst fault is progress gets forgotten, which is completely unacceptable.

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