Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal • Hacker News Board

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by CyberDildonics » Wed, May 20, 2020, 2:19 AM UTC

slg wrote: post #170

busymom0 wrote: post #122

I agree with JRE leaving YouTube over the censorship but I disagree with him moving exclusively to spotify for following reasons: 1. Spotify was the one who conspired with Facebook, Apple and Google to ban Alex Jones and others. So if Joe is moving off of YouTube because he doesn't like the censorship, he's not getting anything better with Spotify. 2. Currently, Spotify doesn't have video (except album cover clips wh…

Regarding point 1, the article has been updated to reflect that Spotify is holding Rogan to their content policy. This content policy prohibits "Hate Content" [1]. By any mainstream definition that would include Alex Jones and potentially other guests. Some people would even say that applies to Rogan himself for his comments about transgender people. Unless Rogan makes changes to his show or his booking, it is only a…

No reasonable person would accuse Joe Rogan of "Hate Content". He disagreed with an actual instance of a recently transitioned transgender woman fighting women in MMA. This is the definition of pragmatic. That person can fight men or not fight. This is not discrimination, it is protecting fighters as much as possible in a brutal and extreme sport.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by XMPPwocky » Wed, May 20, 2020, 2:20 AM UTC

xupybd wrote: post #344

slg wrote: post #269

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The part of that first statement that I question is the "unfair" part. Almost all world class athletes are born with a natural gift that most of us don't have. Most of those athletes need to train and hone that gift over decades to be truly elite, but that natural gift is still present. No matter how many hours I train playing basketball and no matter how long Lebron James goes without touching a basketball, I am nev…

Rogan is happy for people born female to complete in male sports just not the other way around. You can't discount how unfair it would be for women to compete against people who have lived for years with high testosterone levels. Maybe we need a new non gendered sports category where athletes are free to take any hormones they wish. That might be fair. But may cost the athletes their health.

> You can't discount how unfair it would be for women to compete against people who have lived for years with high testosterone levels.

If a man has had naturally low testosterone all his life, should he be allowed to compete against women?

If a woman has had naturally high testosterone all her life, should she only be allowed to compete against men?

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by propogandist » Wed, May 20, 2020, 2:21 AM UTC

busymom0 wrote: post #122

I agree with JRE leaving YouTube over the censorship but I disagree with him moving exclusively to spotify for following reasons: 1. Spotify was the one who conspired with Facebook, Apple and Google to ban Alex Jones and others. So if Joe is moving off of YouTube because he doesn't like the censorship, he's not getting anything better with Spotify. 2. Currently, Spotify doesn't have video (except album cover clips wh…

keep in mind that spotify mines an incredible amount of data. This is what someone got when they did a GDPR request few years ago, and companies have only gotten more aggressive in the amount of data they're capturing https://twitter.com/steipete/status/1025024813889478656

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, May 20, 2020, 2:21 AM UTC

dang wrote: post #357

jessaustin wrote: post #223

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Most people agree with Rogan that transgender women who have only recently started on female hormones should not hide that status from biologically female opponents in mixed martial arts. It isn't feminist for women's bodies to be brutalized by men's bodies.

> It isn't feminist for women's bodies to be brutalized by men's bodies. If you broach the topic in this way—jumping straight to an inflammatory statement on one of the most divisive of all topics—you're guaranteeing a flamewar. That's vandalism, nay, trolling. It breaks the site guidelines, damages this place badly, and you've done it more than once before. You also committed to us that you wouldn't to do it again.…

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Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by chillwaves » Wed, May 20, 2020, 2:24 AM UTC

ravenstine wrote: post #292

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #277

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The difference is the monopoly on the use of force. The government can legally send men with guns to make you comply, while a corporation can't.

Corporations might not be able to legally detain or use traditional force against people, but they can coerce and threaten people's livelihoods. Exile is an effective means of getting compliance.

That's not even close to the same as the powers of the state.

Walmart can't put me in jail. Walmart cannot kill me.

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Post by stOneskull » Wed, May 20, 2020, 2:24 AM UTC

fewfewf wrote: post #306

GoofballJones wrote: post #283

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Alex Jones being kicked off those services isn't the same thing. He was spreading major misinformation and targeted harassment at innocent people that were involved in a tragedy. He wasn't "conspired" against. They just told him to go host his hate somewhere else. And stop with these "censorship" BS. Alex Jones has every right to start his own network if he wants and put anything on it. There's nothing stopping him f…

You're really going to delegate censorship decisions to big tech? What's classes as "misinformation" should be our choice as consumers, not theirs. Example: David Icke may be a conspiracy theorist, but banning him is one step closer from Alex Jones towards a censorship nightmare. The slippery slope is 10ft behind and we're cruising down at 100 mph.

there was a great talk by david icke i saw last year. i think it was in a central american country. man, it's hard to search for it. results are a lot crazier than him, for sure. i think he's a good bloke. his ayahuasca experience and talk of other dimensional beings isn't too different what joe rogan talks about sometimes. i see icke has some new media platform thing called Ickonic.. good luck to him.

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Post by chillwaves » Wed, May 20, 2020, 2:25 AM UTC

herostratus101 wrote: post #181

JohnTHaller wrote: post #165

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Every platform censors to at least some degree or they wouldn't continue existing as a platform. What matters to most folks is the degree of censorship. As YouTube is beholden to advertisers, it's kind of akin to cable TV in terms of what will and won't be shown.

You can have a fairly minimal degree of censorship limited to actual criminal speech. There's no reason why platforms can't adopt that as their standard.

There is a reason, it's called money, which is why these platforms exist.

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Post by chillwaves » Wed, May 20, 2020, 2:27 AM UTC

paulcole wrote: post #256

herostratus101 wrote: post #185

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You presumably also would be in favor of domain brokers restricting speech (correct me if I'm wrong). Does every controversial political speaker also need to host his or her own ICANN domain? Or should they just promote their speech entirely offline?

There’s no shortage of companies who value money more than morals. Those affected can host their sites with one of them.

All these cries of "censorship" misunderstand that what is happening is fundamentally a business decision.

When Alex Jones gets pulled from Youtube, it's because he is effecting their business relationships and ability to make money.

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Post by chillwaves » Wed, May 20, 2020, 2:28 AM UTC

mythrwy wrote: post #318

paulgb wrote: post #210

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I believe YouTube has the right to remove it whether or not I agree with it, because they don't owe it to anyone to pay their hosting bill.

Should a restaurant be able to refuse service to an openly gay couple then in your opinion? What if it offends the other patrons?

There is no law protecting conspiracy theorists.

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Post by dleslie » Wed, May 20, 2020, 2:31 AM UTC

Barrin92 wrote: post #190

lwhalen wrote: post #148

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So all it takes to shortcut your "rational examination of the evidence at hand" loop is to have someone label a subject as 'a conspiracy'? That's certainly an interesting way to move through life.

No. Where did I say that? What makes me disregard a subject is if the person advocating it uses conspirational logic to make their case.

What is "conspiratorial logic?"

Humans conspire _all the time_; the whole of human history is marked by innumerable conspiracies between humans to achieve shared goals.

Believing that it's possible for humans to conspire isn't wrong, it's rational.