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Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by Talanes »

PhoenixReborn wrote: post #38
css wrote: post #9

This makes me incredibly sad: not that we are losing Rogan's show, but that Adtech is finally absorbing the last type of media that was truly Free.

Rogan had ads on his podcast even before this partnership, and has had them for a long time now. I don't think that adtech is going away as long as there is a cost for the creator to make the content. Rogan (and other podcasters) have to pay for their studios somehow, and as long as the ads remain skippable (ex. at the beginning of the show like Joe has) I'm OK with it.

For shows that do fresh ad reads every episode, I don't even skip them. Just the slight difference of not being pure repetition every time makes them so much more bearable.

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Post by slg »

creato wrote: post #289
slg wrote: post #280

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We just don't have any evidence of that. Like I said in a previous post, we are in the second decade of this being allowed. Where are all the world class transgender athletes that are dominating men on a routine basis? People always point to the same 2 or 3 examples while acting like this is a widespread epidemic of men deciding to switch genders just to win athletic competitions. I don't think this is as big of a pr…

> We just don't have any evidence of that. Are you aware that high school boys soccer and hockey teams are competitive with elite, world class women's teams? Do you think the advantages that men appear to have are anywhere near fully erased by transitioning genders? > I don't think this is as big of a problem as people pretend it is. This is not really about the specific issue to anyone on either side. To you, it's a…

>Are you aware that high school boys soccer and hockey teams are competitive with elite, world class women's teams? Do you think the advantages that men appear to have are anywhere near fully erased by transitioning genders?

You are exaggerating with that first claim. It is in no way common for high school male athletes to be competitive against world class female athletes. Secondly, the advantage that men have is certainly decreased when transitioning. I don't believe it is "fully erased", I simply don't think we need to have the goal of fully erasing any advantage. I won't agree with you on that until there is an NBA for men under 6 feet for me fairly compete in against my peers who were similarly disadvantaged at birth.

>This is not really about the specific issue to anyone on either side. To you, it's about acceptance of transgender people. To your opponents, it's about not accepting the denial of what seems like blindingly obvious reality.

I am perfectly willing to admit that my primary motivation here is the acceptance of transgender people. I don't know what to tell you if you don't prioritize that over the sanctity of the outcome of some high school girls soccer game.

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

2019-nCoV wrote: post #237
jessaustin wrote: post #223

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Most people agree with Rogan that transgender women who have only recently started on female hormones should not hide that status from biologically female opponents in mixed martial arts. It isn't feminist for women's bodies to be brutalized by men's bodies.

The risk has never been that Rogan is holding reprehensible views. It's that those masquerading as progressive have a penchant for misconstruing in the most creative ways: https://twitter.com/sadydoyle/status/1220513471995031554

I mean, this isn't quite a misconstrual. The author of this tweet just comes from a bizarre subculture where "puberty blockers for kids" is not only good policy but self-evidently right. I'm sure it's legitimately challenging for her to understand what Rogan is saying - such a large inferential gap is hard to cross.

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Post by cageface »

ravenstine wrote: post #171
paulgb wrote: post #141

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> Spotify was the one who conspired with Facebook, Apple and Google to ban Alex Jones and others Alex Jones has a right to free speech, but if he's going to claim Sandy Hook was a hoax causing grieving parents to be harassed, nobody owes it to him to give him a platform. He can pay his own hosting fees.

YouTube: You can pay your own hosting fees. Namecheap: Your users can find you at your IP address. AWS: You can run your own server hardware. Intel: You can build your own CPU. Electric Co.: You can generate your own electricity. VISA: You can take payments in cash. Hospital: You can use your own butterfly strips and an ibuprofen.

Social media and sites like YouTube make it possible for anybody to instantly reach an audience far larger than ever possible with previous generation media, which provided at least some filtering and fact checking. This makes the stakes a lot higher when people are deliberately spreading misinformation. I don't know what the solution is but there are going to have to be some limits on what's allowed.

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Post by ghthor »

leephillips wrote: post #300
lukifer wrote: post #208

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Battles over freedom of expression have nearly always occurred at the boundary of the vile: see the obscenity battles over the rap group 2 Live Crew [0], or Chomsky's vociferous defense for the right of Europeans to express Holocaust denial [1], despite he himself finding those views to be inaccurate and repugnant. It's a simple formula: Take the most awful idea you can imagine, that any reasonable person would also…

“despite he himself finding those views to be inaccurate and repugnant” If only that were true. Most people who look into this are dumbfounded at Chomsky’s support of Faurisson— not just his right to speak, but his insistence that we take this holocaust-denying nutjob’s “research” seriously.

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Post by odkamkfn »

gkoberger wrote: post #144
paulgb wrote: post #141

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> Spotify was the one who conspired with Facebook, Apple and Google to ban Alex Jones and others Alex Jones has a right to free speech, but if he's going to claim Sandy Hook was a hoax causing grieving parents to be harassed, nobody owes it to him to give him a platform. He can pay his own hosting fees.

The “Right to Free Speech” just means the government can’t impede. Nobody is required to give him a platform, though.

Oh fuck off, free speech is about more than american laws

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Post by mythrwy »

paulgb wrote: post #210
mythrwy wrote: post #207

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I'd be more sympathetic to your point if you hadn't said at first (paraphrased) "Alex Jones said this awful thing I disagree with". Therefore you presumably believe it's ok he got kicked off of whatever platform, because of _what_ he believes. You really don't see the moral hazard in that?

I believe YouTube has the right to remove it whether or not I agree with it, because they don't owe it to anyone to pay their hosting bill.

Should a restaurant be able to refuse service to an openly gay couple then in your opinion? What if it offends the other patrons?

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Post by alvah »

GoofballJones wrote: post #283
busymom0 wrote: post #122

I agree with JRE leaving YouTube over the censorship but I disagree with him moving exclusively to spotify for following reasons: 1. Spotify was the one who conspired with Facebook, Apple and Google to ban Alex Jones and others. So if Joe is moving off of YouTube because he doesn't like the censorship, he's not getting anything better with Spotify. 2. Currently, Spotify doesn't have video (except album cover clips wh…

Alex Jones being kicked off those services isn't the same thing. He was spreading major misinformation and targeted harassment at innocent people that were involved in a tragedy. He wasn't "conspired" against. They just told him to go host his hate somewhere else. And stop with these "censorship" BS. Alex Jones has every right to start his own network if he wants and put anything on it. There's nothing stopping him f…

"Alex Jones has every right to start his own network if he wants"

Ah, the tired old "start your own Google / Facebook / Twitter / YouTube" trope. That can't be too hard /sarc

Why is delegating (effective) censorship to Big Tech suddenly a good idea?

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Post by throwawaysea »

gganley wrote: post #93
polski-g wrote: post #78

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Spotify is just as ban-happy as YouTube.

Links? Much more aware of the YouTube scene

"Spotify bans R. Kelly from playlists as hate policy announced"

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/spotify-bans-r-kelly-fro...

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