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Re: Signal PINs

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It sounds like it's on the roadmap. From the article:

> As we move to support additional features the Signal community has asked for – like addressing that isn’t based on phone numbers and chatting with contacts that aren’t saved in an address book – it means that more and more of this important supporting data can also be lost.

Re: Signal PINs

#22
post #13

I don’t want my messages to be stored anywhere other than on my phone. I hate when companies push this bullshit on you. I keep on getting reminders to set a pin and I can’t turn it off. I think one of the issues with software is that because it’s infinitely extensible, people just add more and more features, they don’t know when to stop. So they keep pushing features that satisfy 10% of their users to the detriment o…

Most people want this, although I agree it should be optional.

Re: Signal PINs

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post #17
post #13

I don’t want my messages to be stored anywhere other than on my phone. I hate when companies push this bullshit on you. I keep on getting reminders to set a pin and I can’t turn it off. I think one of the issues with software is that because it’s infinitely extensible, people just add more and more features, they don’t know when to stop. So they keep pushing features that satisfy 10% of their users to the detriment o…

The 90% want their message history synced across devices.

Then use What’s App, there are a million solutions that solves your problem, signal was the only serious app that doesn’t store my messages somewhere else.

Re: Signal PINs

#24
post #13

I don’t want my messages to be stored anywhere other than on my phone. I hate when companies push this bullshit on you. I keep on getting reminders to set a pin and I can’t turn it off. I think one of the issues with software is that because it’s infinitely extensible, people just add more and more features, they don’t know when to stop. So they keep pushing features that satisfy 10% of their users to the detriment o…

This is a feature critical for wide adoption. Most users will swear off any app that makes it easy for them to lose all their chats.

There are a million apps which store messages on a server, those users are already on those apps. The thing that differentiated signal is the data-less functionality.

Re: Signal PINs

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post #17
post #13

I don’t want my messages to be stored anywhere other than on my phone. I hate when companies push this bullshit on you. I keep on getting reminders to set a pin and I can’t turn it off. I think one of the issues with software is that because it’s infinitely extensible, people just add more and more features, they don’t know when to stop. So they keep pushing features that satisfy 10% of their users to the detriment o…

The 90% want their message history synced across devices.

yeah, across devices not across the world. What stops your devices being synchronised over lan/wifi network?

Re: Signal PINs

#27
post #6

This is all well and good. But the forced/unsilenceable pin reminders seems a bit obtuse to me. https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/360007059792-Si... "Can I turn off these reminders? It is important to memorize your PIN, and the reminders cannot be disabled. We cannot recover your PIN if you forget it. You will see the reminders less frequently if you consistently enter your PIN correctly. The reminders wil…

I know my PIN yet it asks me everytime I open the app. It's extremely annoying. I wouldn't mind once a month, but it seems like it's 1 a week (which doesn't seem true, I feel like it's more every 2-3 days for me). I just wish there was an option to ask less frequently.

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Re: Signal PINs

#28
post #9
post #6

This is all well and good. But the forced/unsilenceable pin reminders seems a bit obtuse to me. https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/360007059792-Si... "Can I turn off these reminders? It is important to memorize your PIN, and the reminders cannot be disabled. We cannot recover your PIN if you forget it. You will see the reminders less frequently if you consistently enter your PIN correctly. The reminders wil…

I agree. Shouldn't you put your PIN in a password manager anyway? Why call it a PIN and not a password to begin with? Is there a difference I'm missing?

Same reason iPhones support PINs. It’s easier for the user, and provides some level of protection versus nothing.

If it’s not user friendly, the user will defer to convenience over security. Signal PINs do support alphanumeric strings FYI.

If you have a password manager, use a string. If not, a PIN works just fine.

Re: Signal PINs

#29
> Currently, that also happens to mean that if your hands accidentally lose your phone to the toilet, your information in Signal is lost along with it.

Duh. Because they explicitly disable backups.

Re: Signal PINs

#30

I've already got a passphrase on my Signal app. Why do I also need a PIN on top of that? If it's supposed to be an easier alternative to a passphrase, then okay, but stop showing me the freaking notification to setup a PIN...

It feels like another case of "our great designer knows what you want and need better than you do" developer hubris.
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