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Re: Notion for everyone

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Is there any way to export or backup Notion data to your own personal servers? I'd happily pay for a nice way to do that.

In the settings, I see an option to export to HTML or Markdown + CSV, plus a PDF option (enterprise-only).

I've just tried the HTML and it looks pretty good. CSS is at the beginning of each HTML and looks pretty similar to their light mode interface, no JavaScript gets loaded.

Re: Notion for everyone

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I’m not sure what it is, but I feel like HN seems to pick apart everything that’s posted in a negative light. Honestly I discovered Notion a few years back and used it for a while, but stopped using it when I couldn’t sync it with my teams project management software. Fast forward a few years and my SO and I were at a restaurant sitting next to a guy who’s one of the early engineers in the company, and that sparked m…

Thanks. I'm going to give it a try. I currently use Trello to track my personal stuff. How does Notion compare?

I think Notion is a superset of Trello and because of that it's not as good at being a task tracker as Trello is, but it does so much more than task tracking that the benefits most likely outweigh any drawbacks.

I'd recommend watching their office hours video for building things from scratch to see how powerful it is for personal use: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1I3Hic0urY

Re: Notion for everyone

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People rightfully get skittish when there's no "forgot password" mechanism to get their account and data back. I certainly agree that that's the point, but such a system needs some potential usability affordances. For instance, a key stored in the browser rather than a password the user has to remember, and ideally a key synced between multiple devices controlled by the user so that the loss or failure of one device…

How do you even sync the key between multiple devices? If you send the private key to the server that undoes any protection from the encryption

Firefox Sync has a model that doesn't trust the server.

Re: Notion for everyone

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If you use dark patterns on your front page, why would I ever trust your app?

How do you see this as a "dark pattern"? I see it as more of a reasonable compromise. If you visit my site, I think it's reasonable for me to understand how you're using it. If you don't want to participate in that, you are given a choice. That choice is between being tracked and having a mildly distracting banner at the bottom of a landing page. This doesn't seem like a betrayal of trust in any way. The implicit tru…

It's a UX dark pattern because (besides deleting the html element) there's no way to dismiss a call to action, you can only ignore it.

Re: Notion for everyone

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post #208

I tried the Notion twice. It looks good, works fine and has a reasonable price. But. You cannot write notes in this application. Literally. You can build tables, resize images, align lists in different shapes, have a dashboard for all thousand cases you have with favourites photos as headers, filter views with a million conditions, manage to-dos and project with kanban, ..., but you cannot write simple notes. The int…

Hmm, I primarily use Notion for notes, and for me I almost never need to leave my keyboard. I can write like I’m writing markdown and text formatting is rendered automatically, the / commands work very well and the keyboard focus works sanely (I can type /link, hit enter, search for a page, browse through results with my keyboard, hit enter, and get a link to that page, then press enter to get on to the next line).

Can you be more specific about what doesn’t work for you?

Re: Notion for everyone

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post #178

Notion is great, I used to want to build my knowledge base in it, but figured it's not future-proof enough for my needs. And that's part of the reason we went on to build Obsidian ( https://obsidian.md/ ), the local-first knowledge base app. Everything is in plain text Markdown. Screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/zof4zCj.png Just released 0.6.0 and here's a video for anyone interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA…

Nifty!

I just placed in a beta request.

A business partner and I heavily prefer to utilize markdown for note taking (we generally use Typora) but this poses problems when we are trying to colaborate on a document together.

Does Obsidian support real time collaborative editing?

Re: Notion for everyone

#237
post #49

I love using Notion, but I think the general discussion about it does not talk enough about how it's flexibility is also a problem many times. 1. Flexibility of blocks is a cognitive overhead for most folks in my team. They would rather prefer more constrained and opinionated approaches like Trello 2. Notion is currently a jack of all trades and master of none. We have tried to use it as a wiki, project tracker, issu…

Yup, Notion and OneNote occupy similar scenarios for me. It's where I can gather my compiled thoughts and notes, but I've had trouble implementing any team processes on it due to it not being constrained enough in its UI. I don't think there's any easy answer here. I respect the Notion team a lot for making a tool that is so flexible, but it's also a curse in some key scenarios.

Onenote is so close as a perfect system for me but what it leaves out really hurts. -No task Hierarchy -No alerts for due dates (Yes you can add outlook tasks but its flakey) -No automatic reporting

Re: Notion for everyone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People rightfully get skittish when there's no "forgot password" mechanism to get their account and data back. I certainly agree that that's the point, but such a system needs some potential usability affordances. For instance, a key stored in the browser rather than a password the user has to remember, and ideally a key synced between multiple devices controlled by the user so that the loss or failure of one device…

How do you even sync the key between multiple devices? If you send the private key to the server that undoes any protection from the encryption

You derive a master key from a password, and use that to encrypt other keys, or a more complex key chain if needed. You then only sync encrypted keys with the server.

Re: Notion for everyone

#240
post #35

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Your data being inaccessible without a private key or password is the entire point.

People rightfully get skittish when there's no "forgot password" mechanism to get their account and data back. I certainly agree that that's the point, but such a system needs some potential usability affordances. For instance, a key stored in the browser rather than a password the user has to remember, and ideally a key synced between multiple devices controlled by the user so that the loss or failure of one device…

I wrote some ideas on how to implement a password reset for end-to-end encrypted apps, reviews and comments are welcome:

https://francoisbest.com/posts/2020/password-reset-for-e2ee-...

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